Cold Open And Warning Signs

Speaker 1 0:06

It's relaxation, luxury, and absolutely nothing going wrong. But every year people disappear, accidents happen. And the official explanation somehow never gets simpler. This is Cruiseship killer, a podcast where we examine real cruiseship deaths, disappearances, and mishaps. We're not here to accuse. We're here to ask, does any of this actually make sense? Welcome aboard. Welcome to episode 11 of Cruise Ship Killer. I'm Geoff. I'm Kathy. Hey Kathy. Hey Geoff. So um you know how like media can inspire people to do things?

Speaker 3 0:54

Yes.

Speaker 1 0:55

After our last show, I'm really worried because we did the whole fight segment, right? The whole show on the fights, and then what the next day, there was a massive brawl. Where was this in the disembarkation area?

Speaker 3 1:09

Yeah, getting off the cruise to go home. Get your luggage.

Speaker 1 1:13

How many people?

Speaker 3 1:14

I think it was 14. Two different families um, you know, getting in a fist fight.

Speaker 1 1:19

And they're they're banned for life, right? Yes. Is it on just one cruise ship?

Speaker 3 1:25

Yes, I believe so.

unknown 1:27

Wow.

Speaker 1 1:28

See, we don't want to be an inspiration here.

Speaker 3 1:30

No.

Speaker 1 1:31

We're trying to we we actually don't want a job at this, right? No. We don't we don't want to be talking about this all the time because it just like even today's today's show.

unknown 1:41

Right.

Speaker 1 1:42

I I you know you should walk away from this show and say, yeah, CSK, take some notes, buddy.

Speaker 3 1:48

If tomorrow someone else falls off a dinghy, I'm gonna be concerned.

Speaker 1 1:53

Seriously. Yeah, no, this is crazy. This is this is a good one. So you wanna do we want to just jump right in, or we have any housekeeping? What about our word?

Speaker 3 2:02

Oh, the word of the day last podcast was arrest or arrested, which we said seven times, which equals seven shots.

Speaker 1 2:11

That seems low to me that we said it seven times.

Speaker 3 2:14

Given it was a fighting episode, yes, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:18

Right.

Speaker 3 2:19

But you know, cheers, everybody.

Speaker 1 2:23

No one's reported like

Word Of The Day Overboard

Speaker 1 2:25

they've just fallen down after a show, have they? Okay, there's been no injuries post-show. No. All right.

Speaker 3 2:33

The word of the day is overboard.

Speaker 1 2:38

All right, so this show is the or this episode is the uh This is the how are we titling this?

Speaker 3 2:44

So we I the the the I title it as once in a dinghy? Oh my gosh. It's uh it's a show that deviates from our usual cruise ship incidents. It's you know, took place on a boat, a boat and a dinghy. Yeah, you can say boat. I can say boat now, yes. Uh it's about Lynette Hooker and her husband Brian Hooker, who were cruising around the Caribbean, and that's why they made the show, because they're cruising. Yes.

Speaker 1 3:16

Cruising on their sailboat. Yeah. Forty, what is it? I I heard 45-foot

Meet Lynette And Brian Hooker

Speaker 1 3:20

sailboat. 45 foot, is that right?

Speaker 3 3:23

I think so. 44, 45. Yeah, yeah. It's not small. That's not small to me. That seems big to me.

Speaker 1 3:28

Okay.

Speaker 3 3:28

But they um they were married for 25 years. They separated a few times during the marriage. There's talk of him being abusive and that he drinks too much, and then he gets angry. Um, Lynette told her mom that had gotten worse since they moved from a normal house to sea life for both of them. She added, she was drinking too much, too, she said. Uh, in 2020, they sold her house, all their possessions. She gave up her career to pursue sailing. They moved to Texas, did some sailing day trips around the country, and then bought a 40-year-old 44-foot charter boat in Texas from the U.S. Virgin Islands. It's a fixer-upper. Um, and interestingly enough, these guys had a YouTube channel and an Instagram documenting their journeys, and they call themselves the Sailing Hookers, which I thought was pretty funny. Um and so they have a decent amount of subscribers, 2,000. I'm a little jelly that they have 2,000.

Speaker 1 4:33

Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 4:34

That's our next goal, right? 2,000.

Speaker 1 4:37

Yeah. So that's okay, so you started right out of the gate with them having some problems. Or they had they have a history of problems. Yes. But what like let's break down like what happened because I think it just grows from there. This is like his story, right, or the events as they unfolded. This just is growing into the biggest tree I've ever seen, right? I mean, it went from this little seed to this It is like and it's still growing.

Speaker 3 5:05

And his story forever changes each time he tells it, depending on who he's talking to. That's another issue.

Speaker 1 5:12

He's like topping Pinocchio here.

Speaker 3 5:14

Yes.

Speaker 1 5:14

Right.

Speaker 3 5:15

So I guess on April 4th, they went to dinner at Elbow Bay, they left. He says a storm suddenly popped up out of nowhere, and Lynette bounced off their eight-foot dinghy around 7 30 at night. Other people in that area say there was no storm, that the weather was calm, that the water was calm, and there's some surveillance evidence from cameras around there that also show no storm. And the area they're in where she bounced off is known to be pretty shallow water. You can wait in it, sometimes you can stand in it if the tide is out. So Was the tide out?

Speaker 1 5:53

Do we know that?

Speaker 3 5:54

I I'm guessing no at that time of night, but still she's a good swimmer, so you think shallow water, she should have been able to Right, and no real storm. That's what they're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Um he he tossed her a seat cushion, he said, but doesn't know if she got it because the sun set ten minutes after she fell, and even though it was still light out, he couldn't see her because there were three foot waves. And so in this little Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:27

Little Bay Area, right? That's pretty small. I saw I looked at on the map. It doesn't look very large at all.

Speaker 3 6:32

Right. And that never threw her a life jacket or a rope that was in the dinghy. So right out of the gate,

The Dinghy Account Gets Questioned

Speaker 3 6:40

lots of questions about his story. And according to him, they bypassed every safety protocol they diligently followed that night. Like they weren't wearing their life jackets. Uh she was holding an engine kill switch around her neck, which whoever's driving the boat is supposed to have that. The daughter says her mom hardly ever drove the dinghy. Um, so the kill switch, it's a safety device that stops the motor if the driver falls overboard and prevents the boat from becoming, you know, a runaway vessel. So the dinghy stops, she keeps floating away. Um, and then he says an oar pin suddenly broke off, and he lost an oar in the water. So then he decides to drop the anchor on the dinghy while she continues to float away, and the boat's not going anywhere now, so not even trying to pursue her with the one paddled, you know, try to get to her at all.

Speaker 1 7:38

What what did he say? What do he what did he say he's doing? Is he he's trying to go where then? Back to the boat?

Speaker 3 7:44

Well, he What's he gonna do then?

Speaker 1 7:46

Get the boat, try to chase her down with the boat?

Speaker 3 7:48

You know, that's the thing he should have done because the boat was, I guess, a thousand yards away. Let's less than a five-minute ride in the dinghy to get to their boat. And um that would have been my choice. That his boat has an infrared signal called a Flir uh box on it. He could have tracked, you know, tracks the heat, body heat. Really? Could have used that to track her. It has a man overboard thing on it. Of course, she's overboard before they reach the boat.

Speaker 1 8:18

But wait, he so you're saying that she goes in the water, he throws the seat cushion.

Speaker 3 8:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1 8:24

He tries to now paddle to get her, breaks a pin on one of the oars.

Speaker 3 8:28

Right.

Speaker 1 8:29

Now he's down to one one oar. And and actually, the he said the he said the paddle went in the water, one of them went in the water. It not only broke, but one went in the water?

Speaker 3 8:37

Yeah.

Speaker 1 8:37

Did they ever find that?

Speaker 3 8:39

I don't think they found the paddle.

Speaker 1 8:41

Okay. Wait a minute. But they did find the flotation device.

Speaker 3 8:46

They found the sea cushion, but they found it in the bay that he ended up in, not anywhere out at sea where he threw it to her. Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 8:55

So that's a little suspicious. If the seat cushion and the oar went into the water at the same time, wouldn't you think both of them would have floated the same direction?

Speaker 3 9:05

Right. Right.

Speaker 1 9:06

If the current was that bad? Do we know if he was being pulled towards towards the boat, his his his boat? Did he make it to a boat, to his boat? Or did he just go to shore trying to find her? What which direction did he go?

Speaker 3 9:20

He says no. So the um he says he paddled with one oar. Uh it helped, and the current and the wind pushed him toward Marsh Bay, where he he landed nine hours later.

Speaker 1 9:35

And the Okay, so he's he's in his eight-foot dinghy with his one oar.

Speaker 3 9:41

Yeah.

Speaker 1 9:41

And you're saying say that again? He eight hours later.

Speaker 3 9:44

Nine hours later. He finally made it. He he makes it, and even the security guard says, You're just getting here now, because technically that's a two and a half hour uh you know trip in a dinghy to get across that bay. But it took him nine hours.

Speaker 1 10:05

Have you ever have you ever been like in a small boat when it's been really, really windy on the ocean or on the lake or anything like that? And and and and you've made the mistake. I see only only I would do this. You made the mistake because you're fishing and you're like, hey, let's use the wind to carry us across the lake and we'll fish as we go, not realizing that at the end of the day you gotta or your butt back.

Speaker 3 10:28

Right.

Speaker 1 10:29

And it takes forever because you're going up against the wind.

Speaker 3 10:32

We have we have not been on a small boat, but Dave and I have been on a paddle boat. I think it was in Tahiti.

Speaker 1 10:39

And you got stuck.

Speaker 3 10:40

And we got stuck, and we were just really peddling, pedaling, trying to get back. And the the guys on the land that were just looking at us laughing, like, stupid Americans, you know, what are you doing out there?

Speaker 1 10:52

What are you doing?

Speaker 3 10:53

Yeah, it it I didn't think we were gonna make it.

Speaker 1 10:55

So I mean, so so nine hours seems like a little much.

Speaker 3 11:00

For no weather, yes.

Speaker 1 11:02

But you know, it's plausible. Also I have to say it's plausible.

Speaker 3 11:07

Also, he states that the current and wind were pushing him toward Marsh Bay, not away. He is going with the current.

Speaker 1 11:14

Well, see, that's a big, big difference. Yeah. That's a big difference. And he just could have sat back and just floated right into her.

Speaker 3 11:21

Right.

Speaker 1 11:21

So And how did he lose sight of her?

Speaker 3 11:23

Yeah. Uh it's just this story's full of holes.

Speaker 1 11:26

I mean, somebody goes over, the first thing you do is you're immediately turning no matter what. You're doing whatever you can, right?

Speaker 3 11:32

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 11:33

So he It would have to be some seriously rough water with a really serious current.

Speaker 3 11:39

Right.

Speaker 1 11:39

To drag someone like a, you know, like a an undercurrent, you know, just to pull you out. You just can't. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 11:46

So he tells he's got a couple friends, and he's he's telling different stories of where she went. One was she swam toward Hope Town with a yellow dry bag that has her phone in it, yet there's no GPS transmission from her phone. They never found the bag floating.

Speaker 1 12:02

Do we know when her phone was off? When did when did when because they must they must know that? They they probably haven't said anything.

Speaker 3 12:09

Yeah, we don't know. But then he said she swam toward the shore. Then he said she swam toward the sailboat. So boy. He's got some boater friends, a Daniel Danforth, a Blaine Stevenson, who are also skilled boaters that they were friends with, and they're both saying, No, your story's not adding up. Um his friend, so he says, We were trying to get back into the boat, and I was baling water out of the cockpit. So his friend says, So you're in the water too? And he goes, uh no. And then he changes the subject and starts talking about something else. And his friend is like, Boaters never call a dinghy a boat, unless it's you, Geoff. And there is no cockpit on a dinghy. So

Search Efforts, Arrest, And Contradictions

Speaker 3 12:55

then he says he fired flares. In the area he fired flares, there's no witness that saw a flare, but later on at 9 p.m., witnesses see a flare in a totally different area, not where he said he fired a flare. Um, and then the GPS info from his electronic devices do not match what he told authorities. So now it's two months later, and they're searching a whole different area now.

Speaker 1 13:20

And I it's so this is crazy. So my understanding is like like this occurred in early April within a span of like five or six days. He's detained, and he's detained for like five days. So he's obviously getting questioned, and so this is early on in the investigation. They let him go. Yeah. But now a whole bunch of stuff is learned. He's is he still running around?

Speaker 3 13:47

He is. So they I think it was on April 7th, the search now turned into a recovery mission because they they don't think she's alive.

Speaker 1 13:58

Um doesn't that I why do you think they come to that conclusion so quickly? I mean, I look I'm looked at the area, so I guess they're thinking if she did make it, we would have found her by this time and and s she would have shown up.

Speaker 3 14:09

Right, because they're initially going by what he told them. Exactly. And they haven't found anything.

Speaker 1 14:13

Right.

Speaker 3 14:14

So, you know, they're using drones, divers, cadaver dogs, underwater vehicles in the original search area, didn't you?

Speaker 1 14:21

Yeah, and my understanding is it wasn't just the authorities that were looking. There were uh like citizens out on their boats. There was a helicopter involved. I mean, there was this there was a massive search.

Speaker 3 14:30

Yeah, looking for her. And then on the 8th, he gets arrested, and then the mom, her mom and her daughter say they were told while he was in jail he only answered four of ninety-four questions that they asked him when he was in jail.

Speaker 1 14:47

Uh meaning he refused to answer?

Speaker 3 14:52

They didn't elaborate.

Speaker 1 14:54

No, no one said.

Speaker 3 14:55

Yeah, just said only four of ninety-four. So on the thirteenth, they release him and they don't charge him because they have no evidence, no confession. And then the day after he gets released, he says, I'm not leaving here till I find my wife. If I have to beg people or hire people to help me search for her, and then two days later he leaves and he shows up back in the United States saying, Oh, my mom doesn't feel well. So nobody, I think nobody has seen him since he's been back here. He's kind of laying low, I think.

Speaker 1 15:30

That's gonna be kind of hard. I guess this is where Uber and Uber Eats comes in handy, right?

unknown 15:35

Yes.

Speaker 1 15:36

Right. If you're under if you're ever in that situation, you're like, Well, I'm good. This is just I'm going back into COVID mode.

Speaker 3 15:42

Yeah. So he comes back, and then the daughter and her boyfriend fly down to look for the mom. Um, and then all these things come up. His ex-wife says that when she was married to him, he threatened her that she's gonna have an accident.

Speaker 1 15:57

Yeah, this is a 1999 divorce, right?

Speaker 3 16:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1 16:02

So there's a lot of court documents to back this up.

Speaker 3 16:04

Yes. And then she texted one of her friends, Lynette, in 2024, saying that after six weeks at sea, they've decided to call it quits, and she's not going back. And I guess the too much closeness living on the boat, you know, the marriage can't survive it, and it was so bad that she could not be out there with him anymore, and that and then a month later, she's texting the friend that they've reconciled.

Speaker 1 16:30

So and then they go on this trip and they start sailing again, end up at the Bahamas, sailing around the Bahamas, and this is when, and then all of a sudden this happens.

Speaker 3 16:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1 16:41

Well, that just smells bad, doesn't it? And I think that whole timeline smells bad to me.

Speaker 3 16:45

Yes. I think I think when she separated for him for a month, she she stayed with her mom a few times in Florida. The mom has some photos that she's given to the police of bruises like on her back and her neck from the last time she stayed with her. Um and then oh, then the Lynette's daughter tells the cops that her mom told her in 2024 that Brian threatened to throw her overboard. So um now she's you know overboard all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 17:23

No one makes that kind of stuff up.

Speaker 3 17:26

No.

Speaker 1 17:26

Right? Why would you make that up?

Speaker 3 17:28

Right.

Speaker 1 17:30

There's uh there's like a lot of people that have reported like this kind of their kind of relationship was like this. Mm-hmm. It's not just it's not just one person, it's not like the daughter's coming out and say that.

Speaker 3 17:39

Right. Friends that they traveled with, the mom. And then I think it it does stink.

Speaker 1 17:44

It doesn't, but there's still no there's still nobody. Nope. There's still but they've seized the dinghy. They they just got the boat, right?

Speaker 3 17:52

They got the boat or the ship.

Speaker 1 17:54

Okay, what are we calling it?

Speaker 3 17:55

The boat.

Speaker 1 17:55

It's a boat. That's a boat, the dinghy's the dinghy, and there's yeah.

Speaker 3 17:59

They got the boat on May 9th, and I did you watch the video? It was so funny. Did you see the video of them seizing

Threat History And Boat Evidence

Speaker 3 18:05

it?

Speaker 1 18:05

No, I wanted to watch it and I didn't get to it.

Speaker 3 18:07

There's the Coast Guard is is uh chasing them off the coast of Melbourne, Florida, because he hired a crew to move it back to uh Fernandina Beach near Jacksonville. So they're videoing them and they're chasing them, and you know, there's two guys on board, and they're like, How many on board? Is there anybody under, you know, no? And they get on and go, got any guns? No. And and so the crew doesn't know what's going on, and then the Coast Guard says, Um, we're seizing this boat. And then the crew guy goes, Oh shit, you know, and they're looking at each other like, and then they're asking him questions, like, is the guy, is the owner gonna meet you? You know, and he goes, No, I don't think so. And I was like, Well, now, now no, he won't be meeting.

Speaker 1 18:51

No, he won't, because he's he's yeah, unless you can do this by Uber Eats or any he's not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 18:58

So now, like June 8th, the Coast Guard has concluded their search, but I still think they're trying to find some kind of evidence from the dinghy or the boat. Um that maybe I I think they did make it back to the boat. That would have been the most common sense thing to do. You're five minutes from there, swim to your boat, get on, put your infrared thing on, sail around, see, you know, where your wife is, not go on some nine-hour jaunt across a bay. It just doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 19:34

I read that the the tracking device the boats have, it's called AIS, I don't know if it's automated something or other, right? So it sends a radio signal so you know the boat can be tracked. And um but I heard, I don't know if this is true, confirmed, that that was turned off during the time period that all of this allegedly happened, right? His timeline.

Speaker 3 19:59

Yeah.

Speaker 1 20:00

That was actually disabled. And from what I read, that system is usually on its own circuit. So in order for that to be turned off, you have to you have to actually go up and do it. You know, somebody has to go up and then throw that switch. It just wouldn't do it on its own.

Speaker 3 20:17

Right. I think he turned it off.

Speaker 1 20:18

Because it because the boat can be operational, have power for everything else, but you can just just that one item can be yeah, I think so too. If that's true, if that is confirmed, I don't know if that's really confirmed because they haven't really there's been who's the lead in investigative entity on this? Because I know the Bohemian police and and then certainly the Coast Guard, right? I I'm assuming that the FBI is kind of taking control because that evidence, the boat and the dinghy are headed to the United States. So I'm assuming that's going to the FBI.

Speaker 3 20:49

I didn't read about it going to the FBI yet. I assumed it was the U.S. Coast Guard still.

Speaker 1 20:54

Well, is the Coast Guard equipped to do that kind of forensic analysis? I don't think it's a very good thing.

Speaker 3 20:59

Oh, you mean you mean evidence from the the dinghy and the boat?

Speaker 1 21:03

Yeah, well now the boat has been compromised because it got two guys that were on it. Uh how far away were they after they got how they started to take this this boat back when the co Coast Guard grabbed them?

Speaker 3 21:13

They were off the coast of Florida already.

Speaker 1 21:14

Oh my lord. So they had been already traveling for at least a few days, right?

Speaker 3 21:18

Mm-hmm. Yeah, but uh the evidence, stuff they're collecting, yes, it's at Quantico.

Speaker 1 21:24

It is.

Speaker 3 21:25

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a quantico.

Speaker 1 21:27

So this is gonna be really interesting, huh? Yeah. How gosh, that's this is tough.

Speaker 3 21:32

Yeah. So I think, you know, it's like a court of public opinion where everybody thinks, oh, he's guilty, and they, you know, the law, they can't, they have no evidence, they can't, they can't charge him with anything yet.

Speaker 1 21:46

Now I heard that also that the the area where he is where where they started looking, the new area, because his his his his device was saying he was in this particular area, that they have underwater frenzy. Teams. Like they're they're going down. They're they're looking.

Speaker 3 22:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1 22:03

They're looking not just on the coastline. They're looking in the in the water.

Speaker 3 22:06

Yeah, but you know, two months later, good luck finding a body now.

Speaker 1 22:09

I mean I didn't know you were a forensic marine expert. Is that what they call what do you call them?

Speaker 3 22:14

Well, I just read, when you're drowning, you you sink, and then sometimes there's gases in your body, then you're floating, then you sink again, and then you know, you become fish food. It's not a it's just two months later. I I don't think they're gonna find her now.

unknown 22:33

Gosh.

Speaker 3 22:34

It's it's been such a long time. I watch uh criminal minds. I I know a lot of this stuff. Watch criminal minds.

Speaker 1 22:43

But he's out walking around.

Speaker 3 22:45

Yes, it's it's maddening. Because I I think everybody thinks, oh, you did this and now you're gonna get away with it, probably.

Speaker 1 22:52

And in order for them to really nail it down, they they they gotta link it to a body.

Speaker 3 22:59

Right.

Speaker 1 23:00

And then they gotta not only to your point, if it's in the water, right? I mean it's gonna be really difficult.

Speaker 3 23:09

I wonder what the odds are if he does get away with this, he's ever gonna have like a third wife that goes sailing with him after this.

Speaker 1 23:17

Well, you could you let's say they find the body and they know, oh yeah, that it but there's all this circumstantial evidence, right? I mean, just like okay, what's the odds that this thing on your boat is gonna get turned off between this hour and this hour, and it's just so happens to be when you're paddling upstream that you're reporting, right?

Speaker 3 23:35

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:35

That took nine hours.

Speaker 3 23:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:37

I mean, just everything about it, it's it's just got holes everywhere. And it seems that the more the story goes, the more involved, more experts get.

Speaker 23:49

Yes.

Speaker 1 23:49

That's my impression. Like there's more players that get involved in figuring this out. That doesn't, that doesn't that's not so good. CSK, are you listening? That's not so good. It's a sign that you they're on to you.

Speaker 3 24:00

You know, you say CSK. I actually looked up, have these guys ever been on a cruise ship? I'm like, this guy would be an excellent candidate as a CSK.

Speaker 1 24:08

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 24:09

But I can't find that they've ever been on a cruise ship cruise, though. So but he would have made an excellent candidate. Yeah, right. Especially if he gets away with it.

Speaker 1 24:18

So what what what do you think is gonna happen next? How long do you I mean this is moving pretty quickly? Wouldn't you say?

Speaker 3 24:28

It is, but unless they find something.

Speaker 1 24:32

April, May, June, here we are in July.

Speaker 3 24:34

They got the dinghy on the longer it goes, the less really I think

The Daughter’s Call Sounds Wrong

Speaker 3 24:40

evidence they can find. Some especially something that's gonna stick.

Speaker 1 24:46

Gosh. It's just crazy.

Speaker 3 24:49

But I do have an audio um file for Dave to play of Lynette's daughter being interviewed by Dr. Phil on how she found out her mother was missing and what he said to her. And after that, I was just kind of like, this just sealed it for me.

Speaker 1 25:04

Like And I also heard he post it on social media.

Speaker 3 25:07

Oh, did he?

Speaker 1 25:08

Yeah.

Speaker 3 25:08

Oh Lord.

Speaker 1 25:09

Like that takes effort.

Speaker 3 25:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 25:11

I don't know. I mean, I mean I know there's a lot of guys that are involved in social media and they post like crazy, but I'm not one of them. And I don't even have any friends that do that religiously. So to me, it's like this is like a big red flag.

Speaker 3 25:24

Yeah. Alright, you want to play it?

Speaker 1 25:26

Alright, I'll play it.

Speaker 25:28

Upset about it? Did he tell you, Karli? Did he say, hey, listen, you need to sit down. I've got some bad news. Your mother's missing, or was it like, hey, how's it going? Oh, by the way. Tell me about this conversation.

Speaker 2 25:44

Uh he was very monotone. Uh, so he's like, hey, I gotta tell you something. Your mom fell in and the current took her away, so I threw a flotation device to her. I don't know if she got it, and the wind pushed me the other way, so I started peddling the Marsh Harbor. But we're gonna come up and see you soon, so I hope to see you. I was like, what? And then he went back to conversation and quickly hung up, and then that's when Steve got up and he because I had him on speaker phone, and Steve stood up, he was like, Something's wrong with that story, like something's off. Like and your mom and that threat from two years ago, and now this is happening. There's something going on.

Speaker 1 26:29

Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 26:31

So Steve's her boyfriend, right? And uh he's referring to when uh Lynette told her daughter he's threatening to throw me overboard, and that's what he's talking about, and now and now this has happened.

Speaker 1 26:43

So my gosh. Well, there's one common threat, is always people that are impacted by this kind of stuff, and that's the daughter certainly is, right? The whole family is the mom. I mean, they must feel terrible knowing that these kinds of things are said, right? But it's that same scenario here, way too much, right? People are like, oh yeah, no, it was said he was gonna throw her overboard last year. Well, why didn't he weren't there other didn't anybody say anything? Yeah. There, you know, there's photographs, you know, it's like, okay, what at what point does somebody step up and say, no, you can't do that anymore? She must have been pretty, pretty adamant about sticking with them.

Speaker 3 27:21

Yeah, she went back a couple times.

Speaker 1 27:23

Because most families are gonna say, you can't do this, you can't do this, you know, no, no, no, you know, I got it. Next thing you know, there we are. Wow, terrible.

Speaker 3 27:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:31

All right. So so we we that one will keep keep up the speed with.

Speaker 3 27:36

I bet you there's gonna be a dateline on that one pretty soon, don't you think?

Speaker 1 27:41

Well, I just wonder, you know, what evidence they're gonna be able to collect from the from the boat and the dinghy at this point.

Speaker 3 27:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:48

Because her DNA's gonna be everywhere anywhere, anyway, right? So they're gonna be looking for damage, I would think. Stuff he can't clean up, like a dent.

Speaker 3 27:57

Right.

Speaker 1 27:58

Right? And focus in on you know, like blunt force stuff, I would I would think.

Speaker 3 28:03

Yes.

Speaker 1 28:05

But it sounds like he also did a lot of choking. He actually he like choked one of his daughters, apparently. It's it's some history of you know, his kind of domestic violence. So if he did strangulation, there's not gonna

Cruise Ship Dictionary And Slang

Speaker 1 28:20

be anything on the boat, you know? Yeah, but it's crazy. Alright, well, some fun.

Speaker 3 28:28

Some fun stuff about your cruise ship. So the cruise ship dictionary that's very funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 28:33

No, this is so this is fun. So we have a dictionary that Cruise Ship Killer Podcast is making available to everybody. I think you just go on our Cruise Ship Killer, right, where the podcast is being played. There's a link to it, right? Yeah, I'm getting a nod. Yep, there's a link to it. And you can open it up on your phone. And the beauty is that you can you know hook it up so you have it on your on your home screen. And it as long as you connect to the dictionary while you're on on the internet once, it'll load that on to your phone so you can be offline. So if you end up losing signal on the ship, you can still mess around with the dictionary. But the dictionary's got, I don't know how many terms. I want to say there's probably 180 or something. There's a lot. There's there's a lot, but they're categorized, which is kind of fun. So we have one category, behavior, and archetypes that I really like. And some of these are they're social media things that are picked up in social, like what people type about. Like, I I really like the balcony smoker. Only because I've not busted a balcony smoker. Have you ever busted a balcony smoker? I mean, it's obvious what a balcony smoker is, right? So someone's on the balcony smoking, yeah. But there's actually a term for it, a balcony smoker. So there must be this whole chatter online when somebody spots a balcony smoker. You can imagine, right? It's like it's like playing telephone. Balcony smoker, balcony smoker.

Speaker 3 29:53

I have witnessed uh someone in line at customer service uh getting in trouble for balcony smoking, and they were denying it. No, we were not, we were not. We have somebody, they were gonna they were getting fined, and he was just adamant. We have not been smoking.

Speaker 1 30:08

See, remember, I I said remember we covered this. Yeah. Like in one of the episodes. Like if the crew even suspects they don't have to have any evidence. They can just say, nope, bust it.

Speaker 3 30:16

Yeah, 500 bucks.

Speaker 1 30:17

Yeah, 500 bucks. Yeah, that's right. Pay up 500 bucks. Yeah. How about uh buffet queen or BQ? I guess BQ on social.

Speaker 3 30:24

Buffet queen?

Speaker 1 30:25

Buffet queen. Yeah, buffet queen is a passenger who treats the ship's buffet as a full-time occupation.

Speaker 3 30:31

It's holding up the whole line while they're trying to decide.

Speaker 1 30:34

You know, and I might actually fall into this category because it's, you know, the characteristics are hovering, returning repeatedly. You know, I I'm indecisive, so I'll end up going back. Approaching the plate logistics with genuine strategy, I definitely do that. I'll like, oh, let's take a little plate, and that's why I'm hovering on the return. I'm like, oh man, I'll just get a bigger plate. You know, next thing you know. So and also no one thinks you're eating a lot, right? If you go to the little plates, you're back and forth, back and forth. Oh, he's just getting a piece of fruit. Oh, he's just one piece of pie. Right? But then if they saw me at the table, there's a stack of little plates, it's probably about as high as my glass.

Speaker 3 31:09

I have to like walk around the whole thing first because I don't know what they have, and I don't want to waste food, so I walk the whole thing to see what I want, and then I go back and get what I want. So you're not a I'm not a hoverer. I don't know what you call that. A planner.

Speaker 1 31:27

Yeah, no, you're you're you're not well you mean I guess you're kind of a buffet queen if you're kind of hovering around.

Speaker 3 31:33

I'm not hovering, but you're strategizing quickly. Yeah, you're strategizing. You're strategizing. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:38

I guess if you fall out of the buffet queen category, you just confidently walk up, grab a plate, know that you want that piece of steak, mashed potatoes, and gravy, and you're gone.

Speaker 3 31:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:47

So if you're in and out, that's it. You're not a buffet queen. But if you're shuffling about, yeah. So there's on a related one, there's you can be uh uh what is it called? They're they're a bacon police. Yeah, it's when there's the buffet staff hovering around the bacon to make sure people only take like two slices or three slices when there's like a yeah, to get control over the bacon. So they're turned to bacon police.

Speaker 3 32:12

They must go through a lot of bacon to have a bacon police then.

Speaker 1 32:15

Next time I gotta pay attention to that. Yeah. Because there must be this crew, this staff member, right? Yeah, this crew hanging around the bacon. I've never really noticed that because what am I doing? I'm I'm hovering. I'm strataging. Not even paying attention to the danger.

Speaker 3 32:28

Next to the bacon

Speaker 1 32:29

Yeah. Yeah, the crew's technically danger for the buffet queen. Now you have you've spotted some in there's crew jargon, which I thought was cool.

Speaker 3 32:39

Oh, I love the crew jargon because I thought I could even study your list for the crew jargon to probably get a job. Because in an interview I'd be like, Yeah, I know what that is. You know, normally you'd be like, no, what is that? But after they read your dictionary, yeah. Probably get a job on the crew.

Speaker 1 32:57

Like, there's there's some stuff you could really pile up with the crew if you know some of this lingo.

Speaker 3 33:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:01

You know, like when we were on that cruise, we had that bartender who was really good with the shaker. I mean, she just danced.

Speaker 3 33:08

Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 33:08

Yeah, and of course, you know, she did this funny dance. Not it wasn't funny, it was just entertaining. She really put you know her whole heart into the shaker.

Speaker 3 33:16

She did.

Speaker 1 33:16

Right? She did. And of course, we're ordering, ordering, we keep ordering drinks that required the shaker because she was entertaining. She was like entertainment.

Speaker 3 33:24

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:24

And but you know she was tired. Oh God, yeah.

Speaker 3 33:27

I come home, I'm just trying to shake one drink, and I'm like, Right. She had to be repeatedly doing this all night. My arm hurts.

Speaker 1 33:33

Yeah, because people were seeing her dance at our table, and the next thing you know, that she's dancing over there, right? So she so you know if we just hung out long enough knowing that her when her shift came, we could just say, Hey, you going to church after this?

Speaker 3 33:44

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 33:44

Which is, you know, a euphemism. Go into the crew bar. Going to the crew bar. Yeah. There's a crew bar.

Speaker 3 33:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:49

You gotta wonder. I don't no, I don't there's not a uh term for the crew bar other than crew bar. But I wanted to say, hey, uh you're going to church, and hey, where is it?

unknown 33:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:59

If they would tell you, yeah. You gotta wonder what it's like. Yeah. You know, is it like the lower deck in Titanic? Remember where there's like they were gambling, it was really rough.

Speaker 3 34:08

It's yeah, smelly. I remember that.

Speaker 1 34:10

Yeah. So anyway, so the what other crew one did you like?

Speaker 3 34:14

Um, I like the cones because I bet there's a lot of cones on Princess, but it's slang for passengers moving slowly and stopping without warning in high traffic corridors.

Speaker 1 34:26

Yeah, so if you hear if you hear crew saying these cones, yeah, which I think is.

Speaker 3 34:33

They must be like trying to bite their tongue from saying, hurry up, get out of the way.

Speaker 1 34:38

Oh my gosh, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 34:40

Um oh I like your one about uh although I like one in particular, but it they almost mean the same, but the the code brown, the code baby Ruth, but which you know means a fecal incident in the pool. But I love the Disney version of it, code Winnie. Like clean up on deck seven in the kiddie pool, bring some swim diapers, you know. Code Winnie. Code Winnie. That's super cute.

Speaker 1 35:05

That's not a hard one to figure out though.

Speaker 3 35:08

Right.

Speaker 1 35:08

Right?

Speaker 3 35:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:10

Somebody hears that. But yeah, so so the dictionary is available, so anybody can go in here and you know, browse around while you're on the boat and you'll or ship on the ship. If if you're even on a boat, you still this still counts because there's there's there's ship anatomy.

Speaker 3 35:23

Oh, you're you have one uh Mumugayo, which everybody knows at workplaces on land, but crew members who are hiding and trying to avoid work while they're on duty.

unknown 35:35

Yeah.

Speaker 3 35:36

It's a tagalog word. Mumu gayo

Speaker 1 35:40

I like that one too.

Speaker 3 35:41

And the kaboomba. Slang for food cooked past the point of doneness, which is why I can never be a chef on a cruise ship. But that everything I cook would be a kaboomba.

Speaker 1 35:52

Kaboomba. And I would tell you, next cruise, when you ask me to fix it. Which I love next cruise because it's like they're not something you're not gonna do. Right. Right? Yeah. So you can use that that one you can throw around as a passenger to a crew, right? Like, hey, yeah, could you make this drink? But oh, I just want to look if I'm a high maintenance person, right? And go, I know what you're gonna tell me, next cruise, right? And see if they laugh. If they laugh and you're like, oh, this lingo's working. Yes. They definitely use it. And I also like SLF.

unknown 36:22

SLF.

Speaker 1 36:23

Which apparently is used in aviation. I gotta ask my brother since he's in in aviation. He probably knows self-loading freight. That's also a crew passenger code term for passengers. We're self-loading freight. Yeah, think about it. We're self-loading freight. It's true, right? And consider this. We're really actually light, lighter self-loading freight when we leave. Yeah. And when we're leaving the ship and disembarking, we're heavier.

Speaker 3 36:51

Yes, we are.

Speaker 1 36:52

Self-departing freight.

Speaker 3 36:54

Yes, we are.

Speaker 1 36:55

And we have to unload ourselves. So they don't really care.

Speaker 3 36:58

No.

Speaker 1 36:58

How much you drink? You're gonna get heavier out, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 37:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1 37:02

And there is actually a term for gaining weight.

Speaker 3 37:06

Oh, what's that one?

Speaker 1 37:07

Uh I think it's like the the like the 10. Uh oh, I gotta look here. Let me see if I can find. Yeah, 10. It just it's 10 pounds. Apparently that's that's passenger shorthand for weight gain expected. I bet you on social media people will say that.

Speaker 3 37:20

I I bet you everybody's gotta gain weight on a cruise. It the number has to be very low of people who can go on a cruise and come off weighing the same that they went on.

Speaker 1 37:33

I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah, because most people come off with the post-cruise depression or PCD also in the dictionary.

Speaker 3 37:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 37:45

Or post-cruise blues if you're you know familiar with that psychological problem. Yeah, so anyway, the dictionary's fun. I like it.

Speaker 3 37:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1 37:57

I like it.

Speaker 3 37:57

It's good.

Speaker 1 37:58

Yeah. So may people if you s if you've got some terms that we don't have in here that we should have, you can chime in in comments, right? You can definitely let us know. We can add to it. And you can actually link to the podcast directly from the dictionary. So when you're on the boat, ship, I'm gonna say boat ship. Boatslash ship. Actually, that's in the dictionary, this kind of slip-up that I've got going, because veterans are quick to call out people like me.

Speaker 3 38:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:22

Yeah. Anyway. So yeah, you can listen directly from the dictionary if you you've got a Wi-Fi for that. But get the package. The drink package.

Speaker 3 38:33

Yes.

Speaker 1 38:34

Yeah. So that way you can listen to the podcast. And at the same time, keep your eyes open. CSK is lingering.

Speaker 3 38:41

I think so.

Speaker 1 38:42

Yeah.

Speaker 3 38:43

So next podcast. You want to talk about the Costa Concordia?

Speaker 1 38:50

Because there's a new documentary out.

Speaker 3 38:52

Okay.

Speaker 1 38:53

Which I haven't seen yet. I think it's coming out

Costa Concordia Next And Closing

Speaker 1 38:55

July? Mid-July? 17th? Yes, it's coming up soon.

Speaker 3 39:00

Okay. I do remember that whole thing. Just the premise of it, you know. I think the ship captain's girlfriend's on board and he's trying to impress her, and he's like, well, I'm just gonna take a swing by my old house, the town I grew up in, and then he just like wrecks the whole ship and turns it over on the rocks.

Speaker 1 39:23

I've had forgotten about that until he started promoting this documentary, and obviously the the thing that catches your attention right away, and they're rightfully used this image, which is this far away shot of this ship on its side.

Speaker 3 39:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1 39:36

And I'm just thinking to myself, I what I can't remember, and I'm dying to learn more about, how long did it take to tip over like that?

Speaker 3 39:45

That's a good question.

Speaker 1 39:46

Because wouldn't can't you imagine being in Sanctuary, going, I don't know, something's not right. You know, and next thing, right? If it was really slow, it's like, I don't know. I mean, how I'd probably stay on my lounge chair until it started to at least scooch across the deck on its own. And I'd be like, Well, something's clearly not right.

Speaker 3 40:01

What about the people who have the drink package who just think the room is spinning, right? Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 1 40:06

Or or you're or you're at the slot machine and you're really banking it. What do you do, right? You don't want to leave the machine, you know, and all of a sudden you're just going sideways like this, but you're winning, you're winning, you're winning. Yeah, why would why would you get up? So I'm dying that there has to be stories like that. That that was a pretty big ship.

Speaker 3 40:23

It was.

Speaker 1 40:23

Do you have any idea how many people were on that?

Speaker 3 40:25

I don't remember.

Speaker 1 40:26

Gotta be at least, what, a thousand? At least, right? That's I'm being conservative, I think, with that guess, right?

Speaker 3 40:34

Yeah.

Speaker 1 40:34

Now, I don't know if there's any terminology for crew or pass in the dictionary on any of this. There should just be a holy you know what.

Speaker 3 40:43

Yeah. We'll watch we'll watch the documentary and you can add one after the dictionary. Yeah, right.

unknown 40:50

Right.

Speaker 1 40:50

Anyway, so that'll be the next show we'll talk about that. Okay. Actually, that would be timely because I think hopefully we'll be able hopefully that'll be out. We gotta see that.

Speaker 3 40:58

Right.

Speaker 1 40:59

Yeah, we definitely gotta see it before we talk about it.

Speaker 3 41:00

So if it's not, we have plenty of content, we said, for the next 20 years.

Speaker 1 41:04

So yeah, and with our luck, apparently someone will probably go overboard and dingy again. Yes. Right after this show.

Speaker 3 41:11

In the next week. Hopefully not.

Speaker 1 41:13

Could be in a lake, but it doesn't matter. Yeah. Dingy. It's okay. All right, well, till next time, huh?

Speaker 3 41:20

Anchors Away.

Speaker 1 41:21

Anchors Away. That's it for this episode of Cruise Ship Killer. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, rate, and review, or don't. But statistically, the people who disappear never do either. So this case is hosted by Kathy Pearce and GeoffJ Smith, produced by Kristen Smith and David Pearce, researched by our Cruise Line Incident Researcher page log line. Additional editing and sound designed by Cal Deckland. Sources for today's episode are linked in the show notes because shockingly we did not make all of this up.

Speaker 3 41:55

This is a Katie's Pub production.