Welcome Aboard And Dark Humor

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Every year people disappear accidents happen and the official explanation somehow never gets simpler. A podcast where we examine real cruise ship deaths, disappearances, and attacks. With skepticism, dark humor, and zero interest in becoming a maritime detective. We're not here to accuse. We're here to accuse were her to ask, does any of this actually make sense? Welcome aboard. Welcome to episode eight of Cruise Ship Killer. I'm Geoff

Speaker 1 0:44

And I'm Kathy.

Speaker 0:45

Hi, Kathy. Hi, Geoff. Alright. I'm excited for this one.

Speaker 1 0:49

I am too.

Speaker 0:49

Because we talked about it last night. And then we got pretty heavy.

Speaker 1 0:54

Yes.

Speaker 0:55

Heated.

Speaker 1 0:56

But before we start, I need to tell everyone about the drinking game that producers Chris and Dave are starting.

Speaker 1:03

How come they're starting it? Who came up with this? They came up with this?

Speaker 1 1:07

They they heard, you know, your overuse of the word boat where we mentioned a drinking game, and you have got a handle on that. So now they decided, well, let's keep it going. Yeah. We'll pick a a different word for each episode. And you guys can pretend you're at your favorite bar on the ship while you listen to CSK and take shots. But you and I you and I are not going to know the word, so we're not responsible for zero shots or hangovers because we don't know. Oh, so this is totally a secret to us.

Speaker 1:36

Oh wow. So we have no idea. Oh my lord. Okay. This should be funny.

The Honeymoon Death Mystery

Speaker 2 1:42

Today's drinking word is honeymoon.

Speaker 1:50

Alright, so you picked this story.

Speaker 1 1:52

I did. I love this story. Um, this story is about George Smith who died on his honeymoon.

Speaker 1:59

No relation to me.

Speaker 1 2:01

Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2:02

Yeah. Same honesty. Another Smith, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 2:06

Um, he died on his honeymoon. They were on a Mediterranean cruise in 2005, Barcelona to Naples. And I was just really intrigued with this story because it was, oh my gosh, he's on his honeymoon. They were talking about Russian mob. It just sounded like a James Bond, you know, mystery. And so I was very intrigued with the story, and it still hasn't been solved.

Speaker 2:35

So okay. It's it's uh it's terrifying, this story. It is because it could be anybody. This is a good whodunit.

Speaker 1 2:48

I think so.

Speaker 2:49

And I know I you think that somebody did do this.

Speaker 1 2:54

I do.

Speaker 2:54

You and it's not it it it's a it could be a CSK. It could be because it's unsolved right now. But there are suspects, people that were under suspicion.

Speaker 1 3:06

There was a lot of suspects.

Speaker 3:08

Right. So even the wife.

Speaker 1 3:12

I I thought it was the wife too for a little bit. I don't I don't anymore, but I did think it was her at the time, possibly.

Speaker 3:19

Is it true they were married 11 days?

Speaker 1 3:20

Yes.

Speaker 3:21

Eleven days.

Speaker 1 3:22

Eleven days.

Speaker 3:23

And then he died. Yes. Well, yeah. He went he disappeared. Don't necessarily know if he went in the water.

Speaker 1 3:33

I think he did go in the water, Jim.

Speaker 3:35

That's assumed.

Speaker 1 3:35

He's somewhere between Turkey and Greece.

Speaker 3:39

Again, my thing about CSK is you just don't know what that CSK could do. Alright, so can we talk about the details of this case? Because the timeline to me is driving me bananas.

Speaker 1 3:52

But yes, the timeline is because there's key key card data. Yes.

Speaker 3:57

Which is really solid evidence. No CCTV footage.

Speaker 1 4:04

Not that I could find. Not in the hallways or, you know, the room, but in other places like the casino and the bar, the disco.

Speaker 4:13

All right. All right. So let's go through let's go through this timeline.

Casino Night Turns Into A Blur

Speaker 4:16

So this is they're halfway through the cruise, right?

Speaker 1 4:18

They're halfway through the cruise. Yeah. They just spent the day in Greece. And then at midnight, George and his wife Jennifer head toward the casino. She's playing blackjack, uh, socializing. He's at the craps table with three Russian American men. I think you asked me why they're why they're pointing that out. And I think it's because at the time I remember them saying, oh, it's Russian mobsters, and and actually these guys did catch the attention of the FBI's Russian Mafia unit at the time. I didn't know there was a Russian Mafia unit. What? Yes. But but the three men were naturalized citizens of the US with a Russian background, and they all lived in Brooklyn. So he met these three guys and an American student, Josh Askin, whose family he met on the cruise. At 2 30 a.m., the casino closes. They all head to the disco where there uh the Russian guys smuggled in uh alcohol called Absinthe. Absinthe? Which which actually was banned in some European countries. Right.

Speaker 5:36

So hence hence the smuggling.

Speaker 1 5:38

Yes, the smuggling. It's they nicknamed that uh alcohol the the devil in the little green bottle. Too much of it leads to insanity, they say. Um at some point George and Jennifer are arguing. She kicks him in the groin and leaves the disco at 3 30. And I thought, gosh, you know when somebody dies young and you're like, oh at least the last thing I said was, I love you. This is I kicked him in the groin and stormed out.

Speaker 6:11

I you know, not a great at what point did she kick him in the groin?

Speaker 1 6:18

In the disco at 3 30 a.m.

Speaker 6:20

Okay, so this is in the wee hours of the morning. Yes. So they must be intoxicated.

Speaker 1 6:26

Well, and it's a honeymoon. So I was thinking, gosh, they're on their honeymoon, and the kicking and the groin usually doesn't start until you're married a couple months, right? That's right. Yeah, that's usually you don't want to start a honeymoon. Right. Yeah. It's gonna crush your honeymoon.

Speaker 6:42

Yeah. It's not a good idea.

Speaker 1 6:44

So at 3 50 a.m.

Carried To The Cabin

Speaker 1 6:46

ish, the four men carried George back to his cabin.

Speaker 6:50

They they carried.

Speaker 1 6:52

Well, they were holding him up. The whole scene in my head was weekend at Bernie's. You know, they got him by the shoulders, feet are kind of dragging down the hall. That's my my picture of what they were describing.

Speaker 7:04

Uh so George is really out of it.

Speaker 1 7:06

He's out of it. They take him back to the room, and his wife is not in the room.

Speaker 7:11

No.

Speaker 1 7:13

So they said they dropped him off. Then they went back to their cabin to order a bunch of room service, which is later disputed because they show some calls coming in, but no food ever being delivered. And that's probably because these guys um were so rude to the staff in prior days that they stopped serving them and said, Stop calling, we're not bringing you food anymore. They were just so rude.

Speaker 7:41

That's true. Oh wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 7:45

So a passenger in the next cabin heard an argument out on the balcony and a horrific thud, which later they believed was George's body hitting a canopy below. There's another passenger who's a deputy police chief on the other side who also heard multiple men arguing and then saw three men walking down the hall, but not four. So he's saying somebody must have stayed behind.

Speaker 8:17

The the the people that the witnesses were they like immediately next door, like right next door, or were they next door. Okay, right next door.

Speaker 1 8:28

And then he hears cupboard doors closing, furniture moving, and he also hears a thud. And the term for these guys, since they didn't see anything, but here there's a term called their ear witnesses, is what the police are calling them. According to the ear witnesses.

Speaker 8:45

I I've never heard that. I know, I think. That's pretty funny. I thought it was a funny term. Can you be a smell witness?

Speaker 1 8:51

I maybe.

Speaker 8:53

Why not? You can be all senses. All your senses. I like my sixth sense witness.

Speaker 1 8:58

Ear witnesses. Uh then both the guys who were the ear witnesses were considered to be highly credible because both their stories matched. Um it also matched some corroborating evidence the police found, and it matched up with the key card logs that you were talking about when people went into the room and out of

Ear Witnesses And Keycard Gaps

Speaker 1 9:22

the room.

Speaker 2 9:22

Yeah.

Speaker 1 9:23

So the stories matched up pretty well. So do you have any questions so far before we get to Jennifer and where she's been?

Speaker 9:34

So they take him back at from what I understand at 3.52, the key card is clocked.

Speaker 1 9:42

Yes.

Speaker 9:44

That's when all these guys all apparently enter the room. I heard or read that they then went to go look for Jennifer. Or he George wanted to go look for Jennifer, and they allegedly left the room because there's a key card incident or acted, activated at 4.01. You're not you're not gonna go look for somebody and you're all drunkard and skunks, and you're gonna do it really fast. That's right. So they must have the only thing I could think of is that they got out of the of the hallway. Let's go find Jennifer, and they just stumbled about and then realized this isn't a good idea. George can't even function.

Speaker 1 10:29

Right.

Speaker 10:29

And they go back into the room.

Speaker 1 10:30

Right.

Speaker 10:31

But what they don't know with those keycard events is you just don't know who did it.

Speaker 1 10:37

True.

Speaker 10:38

And how many winning and out.

Speaker 1 10:40

True.

Speaker 10:42

And there's no camera footage.

Speaker 1 10:45

Not not down the hallway by the room, no.

Speaker 10:50

So that's at least those to me, that timeline, I mean that those those events where it's captured, at least that's something we can count on. But the four guys that carry George down there, they're the last ones to see George.

Speaker 1 11:06

Right.

Speaker 11:08

Right? So all the questioning of these guys is you're asking a bunch of drunk people. What happened? Right? Yes. It's not very reliable. However, I was curious if they maintained their story. Because you know, everybody's probably since it's unsolved, right? You're gonna get nagged, nagged, nagged. I mean, uh these guys are definitely gonna come out publicly in some way, shape, or form. And they did apparently talk to their attorneys or whatever over the years, and they pretty much kept a pretty consistent story.

Speaker 1 11:44

Yes.

Speaker 11:45

You don't know that could be rehearsed.

Speaker 1 11:47

Yes, it can be. I think it was Josh who said he was in the bathroom for a while. He doesn't know what the other three were doing. He can't account for what the other three were doing.

Speaker 11:55

Oh, he did. So so he actually said there's these rooms are not very large. You showed me the picture of the room. It's with the chair that the that the that was the crew was no, that's the Turkish authorities that took that photo. Yes. Because it docked in Turkey. And that's when an investigation really kicked in.

Speaker 1 12:16

It kind of looks to me like a mini suite because it had the couch in there. So you have the couch and the balcony in the bed, but yes, it's pretty close. You know, there's a desk in front of the bed, there's not much room to walk.

Speaker 12:27

Yeah, so do you think these guys really heard furniture getting tossed about? I that that seems so strange to me. I think it's just drunk people crashing into the walls. You know? I mean, I and apparently one of those guys is huge. So you got four five guys in this little room. One's a huge guy. It's bound to be, and they're drunk. It's bound to be it's bound to sound like furniture hitting walls when it's just a bunch of guys stumbling in.

Speaker 1 12:57

Although I don't I don't know about the other four. I mean, I know they're drinking. I don't know the the extent of their drunkenness compared to what we've read about George. They didn't really talk about that.

Speaker 13:09

Well, but they took they smuggled in this absinthe.

Speaker 1 13:13

True.

Speaker 13:14

I'm I mean, I'm assuming that they were having some.

Speaker 1 13:19

Yes.

Speaker 13:22

Okay.

Jennifer Found Passed Out

Speaker 1 13:24

All right.

Speaker 13:24

So yes, so where's Jennifer? They go, they didn't find her, obviously. They came back into the room.

Speaker 1 13:29

Right, and this is a this is why I thought she was a pretty good suspect back then. So an intoxicated Jennifer is found passed out in a hallway at 4:30 a.m. and is taken back to her room by ship crew in a wheelchair. She couldn't walk, they had to go get a wheelchair, come back and get her, so they're dropping her off around 5 a.m. in her room.

Speaker 13:52

Have you ever seen any anything like that?

Speaker 1 13:54

I wish I was.

Speaker 13:55

I think I think the next cruise you've got to set your alarm. Get up at three. Get up at three and just wander about looking for the people that are getting trucked back in their wheelchair.

Speaker 1 14:05

That would not be Princess, though. At least you know to start at the discount. Start at the disco and you gotta be on a different cruise line other than Princess for that. But I'll try.

Speaker 14:16

Yeah, that's true. It could be a whole different set of wheelchairs. Yeah. Yeah, good point.

Speaker 1 14:20

So they place her on top of her bed, and George is not in the room. At 8 30, she shows up for their scheduled 10 a.m. couple's massage wearing the same clothes from the night before, and you know, assumes that her husband is still hanging out with the guys, right?

Speaker 14:40

So Okay, so she gets back to the room at what time? 4 30? 5. Oh, around 5. Yeah, I read 4 50. So that's what the crew reported. Okay. The security people reported. But there's no key, there's no card, I couldn't find any card data on that one, that incident. Yeah. There has to be.

Speaker 1 15:03

Well, so four hours earlier, would she not still be drunk? And instead of getting some extra sleep, she shows up an hour and a half earlier than her appointment. Plus, I feel like I would feel so sick, I'd be like, I'm canceling. I can't go for a massage. I would, you gotta be feeling pretty sick still.

Speaker 15:23

Then again, she's in her twenties.

Speaker 1 15:24

Still. I don't know.

Speaker 15:26

Then again, she's in her twenties.

Speaker 1 15:28

So the spa people, you know, gave an interview saying she's out of it, she looked hungover, but that she did not smell of alcohol, and one lady wondered that if her drink was drugged, which I think is is quite possible now. Um, and then went into the changing room with her because she was afraid she was gonna fall. That's how unsteady she was. Then after her massage, she went to some security training, lunch, returned to the spa at two because she then made a nail appointment, and learns her husband did not make it to his 10 a.m. appointment, and still seems to be on phase, like, where's my husband? Doesn't phase her at all. I'm like, this is your honeymoon. You guys seem to be spending more time with you know right.

Speaker 16:20

It's uh but again, we've talked about cruise head. People get into this vacation cruise head, you know, they're just screwy. Right? Oh, I mean, all rules are out. There's no you're not a you're not on a country, you're not a boat, in my mind.

Speaker 1 16:40

In my mind, the marriage isn't off to a strong start.

Speaker 16:42

No, clearly, clearly, yeah.

Speaker 1 16:45

So at 7 30 in the morning, a passenger goes out on her balcony and she looks out and she sees all this blood below her on the canopy.

Blood On The Canopy

Speaker 16:57

Which is metal. Metal canopy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 17:00

Uh, suggesting of something violent incident happened. She takes a photograph of it, reports it to the ship. The stateroom attendant goes to look, you know, there's no one in there. Um, I I thought this was funny. The stateroom, so they start paging, you know, George and Jennifer Smith. Can you call the pursors desk or whatever? No one's calling, you know. And uh, and they keep doing it. So the stateroom attendant calls up and says, Stop paging them because they were out late drinking and they're not gonna hear you. And I'm like, he must be like, in other words, put a sock in it. My tip's going down by the minute if you wake these guys up, right? I thought that was so funny. Like, stop paging them, they're sleeping. So the ship authorities finally locate Jennifer in the spa and asked if she's seen her husband, and she says no. She's assuming he's still with the guys, she just found out he didn't show up for his, which was supposed to be a couples massage, but because she wanted to add a nail appointment, the lady took her earlier and just gave her her massage, and I guess she thought, you know, hey, when George shows up, he can just get his own damn massage. I'm left and I'll be back for my nail appointment. Yeah, what the heck?

Speaker 18:26

Some honeymoon. Yeah, it's it's bizarre. That is bizarre.

Speaker 1 18:31

So they've told her now, because of the blood, that they've closed off the room because they can't find him.

Speaker 18:40

The the ship is still at sea. So it's at sea. Right, okay, so they seal the room off.

Speaker 1 18:45

They they seal it off, say they can't go in there, they get her another inside room so she can relax and shower. And I was like, relax? My husband's missing.

Speaker 18:55

Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 18:56

Yeah, I thought that was funny. Then she says she's got to call her parents, uh, and she asks them what she should do. And the captain says, when we when we dock in Turkey, you're gonna have to go off, get off, and talk to the Turkish police. They're gonna want to interview you and all the guys that were the last to see him. She didn't want to get off. He actually had to like grab the phone from her to tell her father she has to get off and will get off with her. But she has to be interviewed because they don't know where he is.

Speaker 19:32

She didn't want to get off because what, she was afraid of being interviewed or just afraid of getting left behind, or probably all of that. All the above.

Speaker 1 19:40

All of that, probably.

Speaker 19:42

In her twenties? I mean, it had to be I don't know, I can't make sense of her behavior. All right. Not making any sense.

Speaker 1 19:50

So the Turkish police board the ship when it arrives, and they spent about two hours doing an investigation, uh, which included taking blood samples off of the canopy.

Speaker 2 20:02

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 20:04

And they were interviewing the four men who last saw him alive. They're looking at the room, you know, it's messy, but it's not trashed. And then they found a balcony chair up against the railing. Which is this throwing up off the balcony again? I just don't know why people are leaning over the balcony when they're if you were throwing uo off the balcony, wouldn't it hit the canopy? I guess.

Speaker 20:30

I'm just saying, is that why wouldn't there be evidence of of vomit?

Speaker 1 20:34

I guess.

Speaker 20:35

It would I mean it would maybe it would blow in the wind and hit somebody else's canopy, but wouldn't it be somewhere on the dang ship if they were throwing up?

Speaker 1 20:41

I'm really reconsidering getting a balcony lately. But it could be this was like a setup thing to make it look like that. And you know, if he got thrown overboard, they're like, let's move the chair here so that they think he crawled up on the chair to be sick or something. I don't know.

Speaker 20:59

Now she's she has said all along that she just thinks he got he was just got drunk and then fell.

Speaker 1 21:07

Yeah, she she she thinks it was an accident, and her in-laws think no, he he was murdered, and so they don't speak anymore.

Speaker 21:17

Why did but why do they think that? Because of her? That doesn't make any sense. Her behavior is kind of bizarre.

Speaker 1 21:25

Oh, I don't I don't think they think she had anything to do with it. I think they think somebody else had something to do with this. The four guys did. Uh, and then there was a uh section that said when they walked in to investigate that the balcony door was closed and the curtains were closed. And uh I think it was I think it was Nancy Grace because she did a story on this too. I think she was like, How do you close the curtains in the door from the balcony? Well, you can, you know, you just close them and then you close the door. And then she said something that I thought was kind of weird that he would have to. Be Nadia Comenichi to fall off the balcony because of the four foot. And I was like, there are zero gold medal gymnasts who have gone overboard. Everybody's just, you know, non-athletic civilian. So you do not have to be Nadia Comenichi to fall off go overboard off a balcony, right? I thought that was bizarre.

Speaker 22:23

I mean, I saw I saw the I saw the piece that you I there's a like a ship form that they filled out.

Speaker 1 22:33

Yeah.

Speaker 22:34

You know, kind of like a kind of like an incident report. Yeah.

Speaker 1 22:37

Yeah.

Speaker 22:38

Yeah. And um assume that he was sitting on the rail. It was something like must have been sitting on the railing and fell up, fell over. Is sitting on the railing a common thing? Do do you see people sitting on the railing? Have you ever seen anybody sitting on the railing?

Speaker 1 22:56

I've never seen anybody sitting on the railing. And if you're drunk, why would you be like, let's get on the railing? Yeah, that makes no sense.

Speaker 23:04

No one would who would yeah, who would do that?

Speaker 1 23:07

Yeah, I don't know. That was part of another episode we did where the mom was drunk and sitting on the railing, facing the ocean. Remember that one? Yes. Dulce. I was like, what are you doing? So the FBI does not get to board the ship until two days

Robbery Theory And The Suspects

Speaker 1 23:25

later. And so the family thinks the possible motive is robbery. Because one or both of them were bragging in the casino that they had a lot of wedding money in their room, and people were hearing amounts anywhere from 15 to 50,000. So I think people, and maybe the guys he was hanging out with assumed, he's got a lot of money. And so they're gonna go, you know, I don't know, drug her drink, get him drunk, go steal the money from his room after they take him back to his room.

Speaker 23:59

Yeah, since we have no clue, anything's possible. So that's possible. Right. There's no evidence though of a robbery.

Speaker 1 24:06

No She because she would have said She they gave her the contents of the safe. She opened it. They got she didn't report anything missing to her family or his family. You know, they got the wallet, the credit cards. But I think, you know, there probably isn't isn't that kind of money there. But now people think there's that kind of money there. And it's this is your I guess note to self that when you're on these, you bring your cubic zirconia and monopoly money. Not expensive jewelry and a lot of cash. He was wearing a Breetling watch on your head.

Speaker 24:42

Yeah, if you're gonna brag about all the money you have, it's gotta be Monopoly money. Yeah.

Speaker 1 24:47

Yeah. So the to end the Jennifer part of the story, so the rumors are circulating that she was also flirting with the casino manager, but the FBI found no credible evidence of that. Uh the key card showed he was back in his girlfriend's room at 3.35, and he and Jennifer passed uh polygraph tests. And then the last thing was she well, she's saying she has no memory of anything after leaving the casino, and that when she was being interviewed in Turkey, they gave her the choice of staying on the ship or flying home, and she wanted to fly home, so she left.

Speaker 25:31

Well, that makes sense. If she stayed on the ship and booked another nail appointment, then I'd be like, yeah, this lady's crazy.

Speaker 1 25:40

For sure.

Speaker 25:40

There's something wrong with this lady.

Speaker 1 25:42

You did this?

Speaker 25:43

Yeah, it's like no. Yeah, this is not making any sense. So this is 2005. So this is before the whole cruise ship vessel. Uh, this is one of the incidents that along with Amy Bradley that we talked about. Yes. No, this is just one of those incidents that started building a lot of heat on the cruise lines about securing um scenes like this. And getting the FBI involved immediately.

Speaker 1 26:10

Yeah, but I'm really surprised. This is seven years after Amy Bradley when they talked about doing that.

Speaker 26:16

Well, I know this, but it that's what I'm saying. It's just crazy that it took it's taken took so long. Well, that vessel act was 2010 or seven?

Speaker 1 26:27

So another five years?

Speaker 26:29

Yeah, no, it took took a while.

Speaker 1 26:31

Yeah, because they also continued on with the stops, uh, let people off. They probably got rid of evidence, you know, the crew members cleaning the blood off before they left Turkey, uh, because the Turkish police you know investigated and said they were done, but now the FBI doesn't get to look at it because they power washed it, you know, all the way.

Speaker 26:59

And this is before these ships had detectors to see if somebody went overboard. Yes, I didn't know. And cameras everywhere.

Speaker 1 27:06

I believe so.

Speaker 27:07

Right, because that that vessel act that I'm referring to, I think, is all about getting getting all that stuff in place.

Speaker 1 27:16

Yeah. So the four these four suspects, the three Russian guys and and Josh. Um Josh failed the polygraph, took the Fifth Amendment on every question in the deposition. Uh Rusty failed a polygraph, answered no recollection to every question. Uh this guy, Greg, his was inconclusive, he says, due to his ADHD, and then there's another brother, Zach, who had no evidence that he even took a polygraph. But none of them are very being very um cooperative, other than we brought him back to a room and that's it. So anything else you're gonna ask us, it's Fifth Amendment. I don't recall.

Speaker 28:04

Yeah, the fifth the Fifth Amendment thing seems like a real wacky thing. They must all have their own attorneys, obviously. So maybe that attorney just says, just don't say anything.

Speaker 1 28:15

But I I think that they did have something to do with his death. I mean, they had a lot of problems with these guys on the ship before this, just being Yeah, but there's nothing, there's nothing, there's just no evidence.

Speaker 28:32

Look at the FBI has basically put this to bed. I mean, it's still an unsolved case. But think of the Amy Bradley case that we covered recently, that's come back up, and the FBI went what quadrupled their um reward money because they obviously think there's they're getting close. Something's there's getting movement in that case. This one's the opposite direction. Where they're basically saying there's just not we're there's just nothing coming out of this.

Speaker 1 29:01

They uh they closed this investigation in 2019 after 10 years, saying there's insufficient evidence to continue. They can't, you know, they can't find any evidence. And then she accepted a settlement in 2006 for 1.1 million, and his family was upset, like no, you shouldn't have settled for that, you know. It's worth more than that. So then they sued and got it up to 1.3 million four years later, and so Jennifer and his family split, they divided the settlement up between them.

Speaker 29:37

It's amazing that we actually know the settlement amount. I know. I was surprised by that. I know when I saw that. That's that is interesting. So uh yeah, you know, settlement doesn't necessarily mean that the the cruise line is admitting to anything.

Speaker 1 29:56

So she also I thought this was interesting. Um, well, in 2014, the Smith family offered a hundred thousand dollar reward still because they still believe you know somebody killed their son. But I thought those interesting.

Why The Case Goes Cold

Speaker 1 30:12

There is a forensic scientist named Henry Lee who worked on the O.J. Simpson case.

Speaker 2 30:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1 30:18

She hired this guy six months after to go investigate. And so he got on the Brilliance of the Seas. And he was doing some forensic tests for blood and trace. I'm thinking it's six months later. What are you gonna find now, right? They clearly had to clean the room and everything. But he did find some biological material on the balcony and awning and and blood, and he turned that over to the FBI. But what's interesting is he wanted to recreate the overboard with a mannequin to see how George could have fallen over, and uh Royal Caribbean refused and blocked him from doing that test .

Speaker 30:59

Hmm.

Speaker 1 31:00

Yeah.

Speaker 31:02

Hmm. All right. An unsolved one.

Speaker 1 31:07

Another unsolved one.

Speaker 31:09

This is my this is why I say if CSK is gonna was going to be around or is around, it would be before the Cruise Vessel Security Act that you would be CSK. There's no cameras, there's nothing. Look at this. You have no idea. This guy could have just been pushed. Right?

Speaker 1 31:24

True. And speaking of CSK.

Speaker 31:28

Yeah, speaking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 31:31

I was looking at our episodes because this is episode eight, and in half the episodes we did, we found it could have been CSK.

Speaker 31:40

This is a C this is definitely a CSK.

Speaker 1 31:42

This one, and then Amy Bradley could be um, and then Michael from 33 drinks, you said whoever injected the Haldo drug. Yeah, the guy the security or something.

Speaker 31:54

Yeah, yeah, it's playing as a security guy.

Speaker 1 31:56

And then um the Michael Grimes who fell overboard and was rescued after, I don't know, 12 hours. He doesn't even remember falling off. So so half of our cases could actually be CSK.

Speaker 32:08

Yes. I mean, the world has gotten more difficult for CSK because of that cruise vessel act, but um still can still can manage.

Speaker 1 32:16

I think he's still out there.

Speaker 32:17

As long as there's still discos, he's he's good, you know. You're still calling them discos? Are they still calling them discos?

Speaker 1 32:23

I think so.

Speaker 32:24

Or the nightclubs.

Speaker 1 32:25

Maybe it's a nightclub.

Speaker 32:27

It can be a nightclub.

Speaker 1 32:28

I'm holding up my little pet mouse here so you can tell everyone what our next one is.

Speaker 32:34

Oh, yeah, we're gonna talk about the Hantavirus.

Speaker 1 32:36

Hantavirus cruise ship. Yes.

Speaker 32:38

We and I really want to talk about the excursions these people went on.

Speaker 1 32:41

Oh yes. Yeah.

Speaker 32:42

That was that was intrigued by this ship. Yeah. I was just fascinated by what the hell are you people doing?

Speaker 1 32:50

You know? I don't like to stay on the ship, but that might have been more like, oh, I'll stay on today. Right.

Speaker 32:56

Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, okay. You gotta run down like a lot has happened in like four weeks.

Speaker 1 33:01

Oh, I'll give a quick recap.

Speaker 33:03

Like this is crazy.

Speaker 1 33:04

I'll give it in the last probably seven weeks.

Speaker 33:07

There's too much content.

Speaker 1 33:08

Last seven weeks, um, it seems like every day or every week at least, right?

Speaker 33:13

We we might have to start doing like CSK alerts, like Fox News alert, CSK alert. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because they're happening like every hour.

Speaker 1 33:20

It seems like alot for incidents since we started our podcast, things are accelerating. Why? I think they're trying to give us some stuff to talk about. They don't want us to run out of the content. So the last seven weeks, seven incidents.

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Speaker 1 33:38

Um, five on Carnival, two on Norwegian, three suicides, two snorkeling excursion deaths, a fall from a balcony to a deck below, and one lady driving her scooter off the pier. She lost control of her scooter. And the the one of the fascinating things is on one of the carnival ships, the suicide and the snorkel death, same ship, same four-day cruise.

Speaker 34:07

Oh.

Speaker 1 34:09

One day apart, I think, or maybe even the same day. Two deaths, same day, same cruise.

Speaker 34:14

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 34:15

Yeah. And then, of course, you know, the Hantavirus one.

Speaker 34:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1 34:20

But every day there's there's something happening in the cruise world.

Speaker 34:24

And and the Hantavirus one, you know, I'm split between calling that a boat. I know. I can't help it. I saw a picture and I was like, oh no, that looks like a just a fishing boat. You know, one of those like community group fishing boats where everybody throws their line in the water at the same time. Oh, wow. That's what I thought it was. I was like, no wonder they got Hantavirus.

Speaker 1 34:47

I wish I could remember the name of that ship, because I would have told you they're not going to be happy that you've called it a boat.

Speaker 34:55

Well, the excursions, it sounds like the boat was going on some excursions. Alright. Until next time. That's it for this episode of Cruise Ship Killer. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, rate, and review, or don't. But statistically, the people who disappeared never do either. Sources for today's episode are linked in the show notes because shockingly, we did not make all of this up.

Speaker 1 35:31

This is a case of production.