Cold Open And Podcast Premise

Speaker 1 0:05

Cruise ships promise relaxation, luxury, and absolutely nothing going wrong. But every year people disappear, accidents happen, and the official explanation somehow never gets simpler. This is Cruise Ship Killer, a podcast where we examine real cruise ship deaths, disappearances, and mishaps. With skepticism, dark humor, and zero interest in becoming a maritime detective. We're not here to accuse, we're here to ask, does any of this actually make sense? Welcome aboard.

Beer Dome Banter And Setup

Speaker 1 0:38

Welcome to another edition of Cruise Ship Killer. I'm Jeff. Hi, Kathy.

Speaker 0:42

Hi.

Speaker 1 0:43

Hi Geoff. Welcome back.

Speaker 0:45

Thank you. So I'm liking the New Digs.

Speaker 1 0:48

We are in New Digs. And no one can really visualize this, so you have to go online or do this research. So we're broadcasting from Torrito Farms in Wilcox, Arizona. It's wine festival weekend, right?

Speaker 0:59

Yes.

Speaker 1 1:00

That's why we're here. Isn't that funny? I'm already I spent one night and I still don't even know why I'm here. But we're in the beer dome. So if you go online and look up the farms and they have nothing to do with this broadcast. But um, if you go online and look it up, you can see what what we look like, what what the place is, right?

Speaker 1:19

I think it's cool.

Speaker 1 1:20

It's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. So we're in this dome, this tent.

Speaker 1:23

It wouldn't be the same feeling if like we were in the Barbie dome. So the beer dome, I think, is the best one.

Speaker 1 1:30

The Barbie dome, though, at night is pretty cool. They got like a neon light in there. It's all pink. Yes. The dome is pink. I don't know. You must be able to turn that thing off because there's no way you're sleeping. So anyway, so yeah, this is uh this is a pretty cool place to be, I have to say. Weather's really nice out there. Um, all right. So today's show. You want to talk about your new your ideas on this 101?

Speaker 1:54

Oh, well, because my story today is very dark and sad and depressing. So I just wanted to say that last podcast was so much fun, and I we were talking about who we thought you know CSK was, how to avoid them, and I think we basically determined that CSK is either your cruise director, Julie McCoy, or a rock climbing jazz singer. So be careful out there, cruisers.

Speaker 1 2:21

Yeah, seriously.

Speaker 2:22

And then also I had a thought that I've been listening to our podcasts when we edit them, and I found that a lot of the times we use the word boat instead of ship, which makes a lot of cruise people angry that we're calling it a boat. I don't have any excuse for using the word boat. I know your love of the movie jaws. We're gonna need a bigger boat.

Speaker 1 2:48

Bigger boat.

Speaker 2:48

That was no boating accident. I think that's where your use comes from, that movie. And I'm thinking that some of our listeners, all five of them, might be doing um shots every time they hear us say the word boat. And we say it so often, I think they're as inebriated as the people with the unlimited drink package. So we're gonna try and not say the word boat.

Speaker 1 3:15

Now you got me really curious. What's the at what moment do you suddenly use the terminology ship?

Speaker 3:22

I think anytime you're talking about a cruise ship because it's so large, everyone's always like, it's not a boat, it's a ship.

Speaker 1 3:30

Yeah.

Speaker 3:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:32

It's gotta be capacity, number of people. We'll we should research because I know in that cruise vessel act that we're gonna get to at some point.

Speaker 3:41

Yes.

Speaker 1 3:42

It's for it it's relevant for ships with 250 passengers or greater. So it begs the question Does a boat become a ship at 250 plus? This conversation had to have happened somewhere.

Speaker 3:59

We'll we'll research and find out.

Speaker 1 4:01

Like I wonder if you get on a ship and say to the captain, I love your boat. And he gets angry? You think, yeah, you think it chaps his.

Speaker 4:09

Get out of my channel.

Speaker 1 4:10

Right, right. Yeah. You can leave your bag right there, sir, because you're gonna be walking that way.

Speaker 4:14

Yeah. No tour for you.

Speaker 1 4:19

All right, so we're gonna cover your story, which I have no idea what you're gonna talk about.

Speaker 4:23

It's a sad story. Um, as I said, it it affects a whole family. And um I'm actually surprised that I don't ever remember hearing about this story. Maybe I did and I just don't remember it now, but it's just not ringing any bells with me, which is strange because it's a a family from Dublin, and you know, my family's from Dublin, so that's why I'm baffled that I've never heard of it.

Underage Drinking Leads To Overboard

Speaker 4:51

But this family from Dublin, the O'Brien's, they took a cruise, a Caribbean cruise, in 2006, and they were joined by some childhood family friends that you know had grandparents, babies, teenagers that hadn't seen each other for 25 years. So it was this big group of people, like 30 people, and it was um Lindsay O'Brien, her parents Paul and Sandra, her sisters Kelly and Imelda, and her brother Dean. And she went overboard on January 4th, 20 20 miles off the coast of Cancun, on the Costa Magica, which is um owned by Carnival, and her body has never been found. So I think I mentioned before that this, in my opinion, was preventable. So on the fourth night of the cruise, the teens kind of went out on their own and the adults were together, and Lindsay did not return by the specific time, so the dad sent her 17-year-old sister to go look for her. And she found Lindsay and her friend drinking at a small bar by the pool, and Lindsay is only 15. So the bartender's defense was she presented him with a fake ID saying she was 23, and that is why you go with the information on the cruise card, I think, and not the ID. Her father says she didn't look anywhere near 21, and she it was clear she's a child underage. Um so at some point someone told the bartender she's not 21, so he stopped serving her, but not before she was served 10 drinks in a 90 minute time span.

Speaker 1 6:44

Whoa.

Speaker 6:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:45

And I know that 10 drinks was recorded by the ship. Oh, yeah. That's confirmed.

Speaker 6:50

They've got the bill. And um I know, you know, later in the comments it's it talks about how, oh well, the her her parents didn't let her drink alcohol. But I also know if you're an Irish teenager in Dublin, at some point you've drank alcohol without your parents' you know, knowledge. But no, they were not letting her drink on the ship. You know, they weren't providing her anything or have a sip of this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 7:13

Right, right, right.

Speaker 7:14

Um, so yes, the father demanded copies of her bar tab receipts. Um, prime time did a show on her, and they got copies as well. Um, with the number of drinks which listed her specific drinks, lots of vodka drinks. Um, sex on the beach, woo-woos, mixed vodka drinks, and shots of vodka. And so she also signed off on all the drinks herself, even though her cruise charge card she used clearly said she is under 21.

Speaker 1 7:48

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 7:49

So her sister Kelly.

Speaker 1 7:52

This is one, this is in one bar.

Speaker 7:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1 7:55

One bartender.

Speaker 7:56

One bar, one bartender. Her sister Kelly brings her and her friend, you know, back to the parents' room, and the parents are livid. They're calling the senior officer to issue a complaint against the bartender. They're giving her like lots of water to drink, and at this point, they don't know how much she drank. Um, you know, they're giving her lots of water, and they're they say, you know, you need to go to bed. We'll we'll talk about this in the morning. Love you, good night, you know. And then later they say they did not realize how much alcohol she had consumed when they put her to bed. So they literally went back to their room, um, and uh within, I think it's 15 minutes, I guess she was feeling sick, and they think that when she laid down, she was experiencing the spinning room syndrome. So she got up because she felt sick and she went out on her balcony, she climbed up on a chair, she's throwing up, it's 2 a.m. Um, and her 12-year-old sister, Amilda, saw her and she's kind of swaying, the water's kind of rough. So Amilda's trying to get the door open to rush out there to grab her, tries to grab her hand because she went over and lost her, and she she went overboard. Um, so she fell 140 feet, that's equivalent of 12 to 14 stories, and hit her head on a lifeboat all the way down. Oh gosh, Melda says. Um, so they didn't find her. Um the family says it took 15 minutes to turn the ship around, according to the parents. They don't remember any speedboats being launched, and felt that the ship was treating it as a recovery mission the whole time and not a rescue mission. Uh the Mexican Navy and the Coast Guard were searching for her. And so um I was thinking, you know, when they're like, oh, she went outside, and I'm like, is that a thing that people go outside when they're feeling sick to throw up over the balcony instead of the bathroom? Because I'm not gonna get a balcony room anymore if that's what's happening. Um but later her her mother was saying that she would have had to cross the room past her sister's bed uh to get to the bathroom. So that's why she thinks, since her bed was right by the door, that she just, you know, went right outside.

The Fall And The Search Response

Speaker 10:21

Um so the family hires a top maritime attorney, files a multimillion dollar lawsuit against the cruise line uh regarding cruise ship safety, underage drinking, and accountability. And the famil this family doesn't need any of the money. The father is owns a business and he's a multimillionaire. It's all about accountability, and if they were awarded any money, they were gonna donate it.

Speaker 1 10:50

So the parents yeah, so this is punitive. Yes. Basically, we're gonna give you a good hit. Yeah. So you can make changes.

Speaker 10:57

Yes.

Speaker 1 10:58

This is 2006.

Speaker 11:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1 11:01

Okay.

Speaker 11:01

And the parents also wanted better safety measures. You know, they wanted the height of the balcony railings raised. Uh they were 42 inches, and they're still 42 inches from what I researched. So I guess that didn't happen.

Speaker 1 11:14

Did they say what height? Do they want 48 inches, or do you know?

Speaker 11:19

Oh, what they wanted it changed to? Yeah. No, they they didn't say, but they definitely said it should be higher. But also, you know, she climbed up on something, you know, so she wasn't just standing there kind of leaning over, so that didn't help anything. So her dad wrote a book called Lindsay's Law, Coffin Cruise Ships and Obama, and he puts Obama on the book title to get the Obama administration and Congress to enact legislation to protect cruise ship passengers. The book did not get great reviews from people, those who bought it. They said the title was misleading, it didn't really have a lot of information on Lindsay or what happened, and it was more about this man, this father, struggling with mental health issues and unable to just get past his father's death. So the cruise line defense was the fake ID, and later they found out that every teen in that family group was served alcohol without the consent or knowledge of their parents. And two days after Lindsay went overboard, a woman in that group was able to order alcohol in the name of her two and a half-year-old daughter. So it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 12:43

That's crazy.

Speaker 12:45

Yeah. And so I I'm I was kind of thinking the bartender got fired, of course, but I was thinking the cruise line and maybe even the bartender, that they would get hit with some kind of manslaughter charge for serving a child alcohol, and clearly her cruise card said she's not 21. And the cruise spokesman lady said they legally don't have to question age when out in the open sea, but they voluntarily enforce a minimum drinking age of 21. So not sure what happened there. Um, but

Lawsuit For Safety And Accountability

Speaker 13:23

I I just think it they should have been hit with a harder um you know, uh arrest or something for for manslaughter. They basically, you know, caused her death.

Speaker 1 13:38

What do you mean by they legally didn't have to ask for age or check age or because I the what can then what's the point in asking for a ID?

Speaker 13:50

Right.

Speaker 1 13:51

This is just and then yeah, how these people, there's no way they're trying to detect a fake ID if they're actually having to make decisions based on a document that could be from any country.

Speaker 14:04

That's why you go with the cruise card, yeah. And she's literally signing and paying with it, you know, and it says she's not 21.

Speaker 1 14:12

So I wonder if it comes up on the screen. You gotta wonder how that's handled, right?

Speaker 14:16

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 14:17

Like it's one thing to m notify somebody that they're that this person is under 21, and it's in, you know, an italicized size six font right on the bottom of something that you can't even see, and it's dark, you're at a bar, there's a lot of noise, a lot of activity. I mean, this thing should be like a a red flash on a screen, right? That basically says, I can't I can't process your your order here because this is under an ID that's under 21. You would think that there'd be a way to lock that out.

Speaker 14:47

Yes.

Speaker 1 14:48

Right? Like, I can't do this. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 14:51

It kind of goes with what you were saying uh a few podcasts ago about, you know, what's the age in the open sea? Is it is it 21? Is it 18?

Speaker 1 15:00

Yeah, I I was always under the impression it was 18. So she But then that begs the question that if it's 18, someone has to vary it to somehow prove I'm yeah, I'm 18. I'm 18, right? But there's something.

Speaker 15:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1 15:09

And you're right. I think the ship is can control that before you even get on board.

Speaker 15:14

Right.

Speaker 1 15:14

Right? They vo you have to send in documentation that you're who you are.

Speaker 15:19

Yes.

Speaker 1 15:20

Right?

Speaker 15:20

Yeah. So yeah, a more bold way of flashing, like you said, uh stop right there on the first string, like you can't have this.

Speaker 1 15:28

Yeah, absolutely. So it seems like an e that seems like the easiest thing to solve.

Speaker 15:33

Yes.

Speaker 1 15:34

Does it not?

Speaker 15:34

Yes. And I still can't find whether they won this lawsuit yet or they got paid any money. It it it doesn't say.

The Family’s Long Aftermath

Speaker 15:42

But the family tragedy continued to spiral after this. What? They they they get back to Ireland. Um, the parents who were happily married before this, they separated. Um, they are dealing with people online saying, Where were the parents? You know, and the guy's like, This is the first time I let my guard down. She's with other teens. We're very protective. We hardly let them do anything alone, and you know, this happens. Um they the mom ironically says the kid she was most worried about was the eight-year-old's son, and then uh she kept the the the 12-year-old Amelda with her that night, and then I guess a friend was saying, Hey, be careful with your 17-year-old daughter because you know, you know, men are preying on young girls on these ships, so she's got the 17-year-old with her, and the one kid, you know, she lets go with the other teens is the one that that ends up dying. So the dad, who has bipolar disorder and has had that under control for 20 years prior, struggled after the daughter's death, spent time in a mental hospital due to numerous suicide attempts. And in 2013, his last attempt resulted in his death. He was 49.

Speaker 1 17:08

Oh my god.

Speaker 17:09

And his daughter Kelly found him hanging at his workplace. So now she's got extra trauma the sister's death, the finding her father's body. Um, the son, Dean, moved to Australia in 2016 to escape the family trauma. He's been in trouble with the law there for anger issues. He spent some time in jail for a bar fight. Uh, there's another story that he kind of uh got into it with his older sister Kelly assaulting her, like pulling her hair, biting her nose, so he had to go to court for that. But the one that has like the most trauma is the 12-year-old, Amelda, who says she spent years truck struggling with guilt that she could not save her sister and PTSD from witnessing her fall. Uh she was later using drugs to cope. She also moved to Australia to start over, but she also has bipolar disorder like her dad. So she spent time in a hospital after severe injuries from a suicide attempt when she was in Australia. And now she has moved back to Dublin and is like still in continuous counseling because of all of this family trauma. And I don't um can't find anything on what the mom is doing, you know, right now. But the whole family just disintegrated after this um girl's death.

Speaker 1 18:37

I think your opening statement where you said this was preventable. I mean, you almost can say all of this was almost preventable.

Speaker 18:44

Yeah.

Speaker 1 18:44

You can't bipolar disorder, you're gonna that that's that's probably separate. All you know, there's a lot of things that's probably going on in everybody's orbit that's gonna contribute to things, all sorts of things that happen in their lives, right?

Speaker 18:55

Right.

Speaker 1 18:56

But you definitely can say certainly an event like that, that's a game changer for everybody, right? That's gonna have an impact. There's no doubt about it. Right. And that's the thing you don't really hear about these stories, right? You hear about we hear about these tragedies, we read about these tragedies, we talk about these things, we're always amazed and perplexed, like we don't have all the details, right? People like us start talking about it. But in the end, all the people that are affected, it's just so exponentially greater, right? Than just that little story that we're talking about. Right.

Speaker 19:30

They're all affected after somebody in their family is gone. It's not just, oh, they're gone and they died when we were on a cruise and we're back to normal. It's just I don't think you ever get back to normal.

Speaker 1 19:41

And I and that's the thing that I think is a little frustrating. We just talked about the the fact that the cruise line could have done something different. Right? That's assuming that all of those facts are true. Right? Fake ID, passed, she had this card, says there's under 21, all this kind of stuff. The other kids were actually able to get alcohol, the whole nine yards. I don't know if that's changed. I don't know, I don't know how much you gotta ask, how much has that really changed?

Speaker 20:12

I hope it's changed a little bit. That's I mean that's what the parents were hoping for. So nobody had to go through this again.

Speaker 1 20:20

One of the one of the episodes we talked about when people get on these cruise ships, you're like in this kind of vacation fog, you get into this mindset, like when we were talking about unlimited drink packages, right? It's kind of like two things colliding at the wrong moment, right? I'm getting I have an open bar and I'm suddenly getting onto this thing that's I have no country, right? You know, I'm on with a bunch of other people who are thinking like me, yeah, and it's just a free-for-all, right? Who's to say the kids don't get affected like that?

Speaker 20:51

True.

Speaker 1 20:51

A teenager, right? It's just right. I mean, I'm sure my kids would pick up on like, yeah, that's kind of having some fun. I mean, you know, you you know what I mean? They you pick up on all that.

Speaker 21:03

Yeah, they do.

Speaker 1 21:04

Yeah, how could you not? But the cruise definitely has control, better, could have a lot better control over that. I'm really curious if there's a ship that ship out there that actually does the things that we just talked about. Where the where the bartenders, or anyone for that matter, just can't execute a transaction. Because, no, wrong card, wrong card.

Speaker 21:24

Yeah, that's a good thing to research and and uh update about when we do our updates.

Speaker 1 21:32

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's that's a terrible one. Well, mine's not any better.

Amy Bradley Case Background

Speaker 1 21:36

We don't I mean, we're I'm gonna we're gonna talk about this one, but this is the Amy Bradley case, because I just want to talk about the updates, but all people probably don't know a little bit about the background. If anybody's listening that's not heard this story, I'm not sure where you're living or what you're watching.

Speaker 21:54

Yeah, that's been all over like 2020 and Dateline, I think.

Speaker 1 21:58

It is, it's all over because. Netflix released a three-part series in 2025. I think it was July of 2025. Um that kind of reignited this whole case. So it was back in 1998. Amy Bradley, she's 23, graduate of Longwood University, apparently a strong swimmer, lifeguard. Lifeguard experience. I didn't know that. Um on a cruise, Caribbean cruise with her family from uh basically Puerto Rico, Aruba, Curacao, that Caribbean circuit. And they departed, I think that was uh March, I want to say it was March 21st because the night that she went, she disappeared. Was the night of the 23rd, 24th. So the wee hours. Um she had been out um at one of the disco's. I think back then. Disco's I think back then we did call it disco.

Speaker 22:59

We did.

Speaker 1 23:00

Do they find that's a whole different conversation, I guess. But in any event, she's out.

Speaker 23:04

She just told everyone how old we are.

Speaker 1 23:06

She's out having a good time. Her brother's with her. Her brother was taking a break from college. The so she's with her parents. The dad had won this cruise for it was an insurance business, had done, you know, a bang-up job in sales and won this cruise, right? So the whole family goes out on this ship. And um and they're and anyway, they're out, she and her brother are out partying. Apparently, they were kind of hanging out with uh some of the the ship band members that were part of this, you know, out there having a party and having fun. She doesn't return back to the cabin until about three, between 3 30 and 4 in the morning with her brother. They end up going out on the balcony and they're kind of chit-chatting away, and and then the brother goes to sleep. The father sees Amy asleep on the balcony at about 5 30. He goes back to sleep, um, then wakes up at around 6 a.m. ish, and she's gone. Um, no signs of a struggle. Clearly, don't know what happened, right? And then um they notify the ship very quickly, around 6 30-ish. So a lot of this is happening fairly quickly, right? So she's you know, the look at the timeline, she's gone in the span of like 30 minutes, technically, right? Not very much time, just of advantages. So they notify the the ship. The ship doesn't the ship is allowed to dock in carousel. And despite the family saying, hey, don't let anybody off this boat, people disembark, you know, at this port. And that was about the ship, the the the ship announcement went out about looking for her missing. I don't know what the content of that message was that went out over the ship system. But a shipwide alert goes out at that was about 740. They had already been, I think, in port at that point. So no idea where this where this girl is, right? Um and so so no one knows. The they

Sightings And Sex Trafficking Theory

Speaker 1 25:20

launch a search in the ocean, you know, the Navy, US Navy was involved, actually, the Netherlands, Coast Guard, everybody's they're looking everywhere, nothing, no sign, no nothing. So it's a huge mystery. You know, what happened? Did did there were alleged sightings that they saw her in port or you know, had left, you know, so people were claiming to have seen her with somebody. The one of the band members was under suspicion. So for years, what are we, 28 years? 28 years now. Because that was end of March, right? So 28 years in now, we have this Netflix series come out. There's been a re reignited interest. Now, over the course between 1998 and now, there had been kind of reported sightings here and there from um, I think someone a couple had allegedly spotted her in San Francisco.

Speaker 26:16

Oh wow.

Speaker 1 26:17

Um, but the majority of them are in the Caribbean.

Speaker 26:21

Like on the beach walking, yeah, in Aruba, yeah.

Speaker 1 26:23

Like they're there uh Canadian divers in 1998 that thought they spotted her or someone that looked like her with two quote aggressive men, you know. Um so there's been this theory that she was abducted and you know, taken off the ship and put into a sex trafficking network. Um and the FBI, you know, when they they they classified this case and still do as kidnapping missing person. So they they have not ruled any overboard fall or anything like that, you know. So it's always been an open case. And you can imagine the family is um you know, never mind, heartbroken, but they are still trying to figure this out and pursue, right? So they've gone, I mean, they there was an incident that happened, I think it was in tw uh 2005-ish. Uh may have been 2002, but but but uh some guy claiming to be a ex-Green Beret who's gonna get a bunch of Navy SEALs and do this and and and basically stole 210,000 bucks from um uh like a missing children's organization that was helping fund, you know, the search.

Speaker 27:33

To find her?

Speaker 1 27:34

Yeah. Yeah. He ended up getting convicted, you know, uh ordered to pay all this money back. I don't know what happened there, but this poor family's gone through the ringer here trying to get their daughter back. She'd be 52 years old right now. So from that, in addition to the people in San Francisco and these Canadian guys, there's actually a Navy guy who's who in 1999 was at a brothel, and I don't I I want to say it was Cursel. I'm not I have to I have to go back to my notes to look at that. But nonetheless, thought he saw her there, but he doesn't report it until 2002. I don't know. That's I don't know. That doesn't make any sense, right? Why would you wait so long? So here we are transporting to today.

New Leads And FBI Momentum

Speaker 1 28:22

So there's been an IP address, and for those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, uh uh Internet Protocol IP address is uh an address of where a computer system might be connecting to the internet and talking online, right? Communicating online. So there's been a consistent IP address where it's been going to one of Amy's websites where they're they're stormed, you know, presenting all the information, whatnot, consistently, and it's out of a casino in I want to say Aruba, but I I I gotta go back to my notes.

Speaker 28:55

Um just checking for updates and things.

Speaker 1 28:58

Exactly. Now the family hired a private investigator. I don't know the year, but it was in this spell around this time of the Netflix show. And the Netflix director has come out openly and has said, yeah, there's there's a lot of things that we've discovered. So the FBI has actually named two people of interest. So now we've got names. And a lot of the momentum is around confirming that, yeah, there is probably a sex trafficking network going on here. There's there's there's things that are um, there's enough information here, put it this way, that the FBI had a $25,000 reward, right? They upped it by four, four times to a hundred thousand.

Speaker 29:42

Wow.

Speaker 1 29:42

And that's recently. They just did that. And so the Netflix documentary kind of increased traction. The PI digs up more information. The um, as a matter of fact, in in digging up the information, he was able to determine that there there is this kind of network going on. And some of the people that were coming forward alleging to have seen her in these, in these Caribbean Island area suddenly are starting to clam up.

Speaker 30:14

Oh. Right. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 30:16

So the FBI doesn't kick things into high gear unless there's reason. And so this is like I guess historically, when the FBI does this kind of thing and kind of re-energizes a case and puts some more money on the table and you know, incentivize people to start talking, and they're not naming people of interest, it usually means they're getting close. So the director was asked, hey, are you gonna do another Netflix show? And he's smart enough to know that you know, before we head down that cavern, you know, let's see how this plays out. But clearly he's confident that, you know, he did a series, I don't know the name of it, but prior to this Netflix series, another crime series where where he had investigated some really old cases and and those got solved. Those those had movement.

Speaker 31:10

You shouldn't, yeah, you shouldn't do it in until they solve it, because then you risk alerting everybody of what's what they're what's going on, who they're looking for.

Speaker 1 31:20

Right. Right. So this is so this is huge. I think the the IP address is like the first digital clue, apparently, that something is interesting. But that's a tough one, right? Because you kind of I think it was in 2010, a bone washed up in Aruba, a jawbone. That got analyzed. I can't confirm that it was analyzed against Amy's dental records. I can't find any evidence or information that that did happen. They did analyze that in the context of Natalie Holloway, who was an American tourist who went missing in their eye. If uh many people may remember that was not a cruise ship case, that was a tourist case, she goes missing, crime, a whole bunch of stuff came out of that one. But they never found her body, so they had this bone washed up. That was in that was in 2010. Um, but there still is no evidence of that, you know, the the whole overboard incident. Nothing's not it seems to be much, much more focused on oh no, this was uh this this is definitely she could definitely, definitely be there. So there's a lot of hope for that family.

Speaker 32:31

Yeah, that's probably the hard part for them is they don't know if she died or not and if she's been out there alive somewhere.

Speaker 1 32:39

Oh, it's gotta be horrible.

Speaker 32:41

And I think her father passed away recently. One of her parents passed away.

Speaker 1 32:48

Nat Natalie's?

Speaker 32:49

No, no, Amy's.

Speaker 1 32:51

Oh really?

Speaker 32:51

And I think so now it's the one parent and the brother are still hoping.

Speaker 1 32:56

Okay, because I yeah, I know the brother. The brother's been confirming a lot of what I just said about there are there's there's movement. There's there's a lot of stuff coming out now that is building a lot of hope.

Speaker 33:07

But so I mean, if you're kidnapped for a sex trafficking ring and now you're 52, I mean, are you in that for life? Or it seems like the older you get, the less use they have for you and I have no idea.

Speaker 1 33:23

I you the the you could flip that script to say the same argument about a battered woman syndrome.

unknown 33:29

Right?

Speaker 33:30

Because part of the part of the thing was part of the thing um was that you know, why hasn't she tried to reach out to anyone or escape or there was a theory that she has a got a child.

Speaker 1 33:45

So that changes the that that concept of oh, I can just leave or I can just do this.

Speaker 33:50

Because now they're threatening your family.

Speaker 1 33:53

You would think, right? Yeah. Yeah. They're kind of held hostage.

Speaker 33:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:56

It's it's terrible. So the reason I wanted to bring that story up, and we'll talk about this another episode, but what happened to her and what happened to actually who you just mentioned.

What Changed In Cruise Protocols

Speaker 34:06

Um panic epidemic, no.

Speaker 1 34:08

No. All of that kind of resulted in kind of some legislation and things changing. That Anna's story that we're having now is getting having much more resolution at a higher speed, right? We're getting a lot more insights because of unfortunately what has happened to these other folks. You know, certain things changed protocols, right? Like the FBI got involved in Anna's case like that. Right away. The FBI didn't, there was jurisdictional gray areas when Amy went over. And that causes problems, right? Because now you're suddenly gotta investigate something, then you know, the scene is compromised. Uh I mean, everything is just the fact that they got to port and all everyone could get off is like great.

Speaker 34:56

Oh, yeah, you lost it right there. You lost everything. That that definitely has changed. They don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 35:04

All right, and we're getting told we're on time.

Next Episode Tease And Closing

Speaker 1 35:08

So we're gonna end this episode of Cruise Ship Killer from the beardome in Toredo Farms.

Speaker 35:15

And oh, so next podcast.

Speaker 1 35:18

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Next.

Speaker 35:19

It's a fun one again, thank heavens. Um, you're gonna talk about the passenger contract that we all never read or just say, hey, I want to go on a cruise, where do I sign? And we don't care what the document says.

Speaker 1 35:32

I'm gonna leverage modern technology. I'm gonna leverage some AI, not just one AI, a couple AIs, to take those contracts and do an apples to apples comparison, right? And then I'm gonna have it one of those AIs get a little fun with it and say, if you could write this for a passenger so that it's really entirely in the passenger's favor, what is it? What would what am I signing? That would be cool. That'd be kind of fun. Yeah, so we'll go through it. I'll try to break it down because you know this thing will be like 18,000 pages long and we're not reading that.

Speaker 36:03

Yeah. And then we'll um give some case updates that have been in the news recently, last week.

Speaker 1 36:10

Yeah, the Anna Keppner. Yeah, yeah, that's a big one. All right, thanks everybody for listening. All you six people, there's another person. There's another person? There's mine, there's just nothing, I guarantee it.

Speaker 36:21

Charts are climbing every time.

Speaker 1 36:23

No, there's a beer dome. There's definitely a beer fan out there who's gonna like like it. All right, thanks. Thanks, Kath.

Speaker 36:30

Anchors away.

Speaker 1 36:34

That's it for this episode of Cruise Chip Killer. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, rate, and review, or don't. But statistically, the people who disappeared never do either. CSK is hosted by Kathy Pierce and Jeff Smith, produced by Kristen Smith and David Pierce, researched by our Cruise Line Incident Researcher Paige Logline, additional editing and sound design by Cal Deckhand. Sources for today's episode are linked in the show notes because shockingly, we did not make all of this up.

Speaker 37:04

This is a Kitty's pub production.

unknown 37:06

Uh