Welcome Aboard And The Premise

Speaker 0:10

But every year people disappear, accidents happen, and the official explanation somehow never gets simpler. This is Cruise Ship Killer, a podcast where we examine real death and disappearances in the past with skepticism, dark humor, and zero interest in becoming a maritime detective. We're not here to accuse. We're here to ask, does any of this actually make sense? Welcome aboard. Welcome to episode five of Cruise Ship Killer. Alright, so we're gonna do a quick reset before we get into this. Normally on this show, we each bring a real cruise ship incident. We break it down, we try to figure out what actually happened.

Speaker 2 0:54

But those stories can get pretty heavy. So today we're doing something a little different. We're gonna go back to the core idea of our show, this very dumb, very unserious theory that cruise ship killers are the perfect environment for a cruise ship killer. But let's face it, weird things happen on these boats and even often leave one scratching the head saying, What could have happened?

Speaker 1:18

Yeah, no kidding. Very unserious theory. I'm gonna be looking at this from the CSK brain angle, like you know, if you were trying to design the perfect setup.

Speaker 2 1:30

And I'm going to be looking at it from the perspective of someone who's just trying to not get caught up in a CSK moment. So this episode is less about any one case and more about why being on a cruise makes your brain start connecting dots that probably aren't there.

Speaker 1:47

So, for real, like we both have said, I think every time I've gotten on a cruise ship, um I immediately think like this is the perfect place.

Speaker 2 1:58

It is.

Speaker 1:59

And so, and thinking about this show, I was like, okay, I gotta jot down all of those things that race through my brain before I get into vacation head, right? And I forget all about all those dangerous things that I'm thinking about, right? So it really is a perfect environment. Like there's five things that I like flagged as being like the ideal scenario if I was CSK. And so certainly the environment is number one, right? And I'm not saying that there's anything that's like happening, like there really is a CSK out there doing any of this stuff, not encouraging anyone to play CSK. Uh, and I think you'll probably nail me on a couple of these things and kind of say, yeah, but, yeah, but um, but there's just so many coincidences, right? Every time we talk about these incidences, we're just like, well, well, somebody could have, well, right? So it's true, right? So there's never, never any not enough answers for us. There's just mostly

Ocean And Gravity Do The Work

Speaker 2:55

shrimp. So I've got I've got five angles. So the environment is the first one, right? I mean, if I'm CSK, I don't have to do any work. I got the ocean. I've also got gravity as my weapon. Right? So it's a perfect environment where I don't even need a plan. Like the environment's doing all the work for me. And I know, I don't know about you, but when I get on a cruise ship, as soon as we set sail, as soon as we get in open waters, you're just it's kind of spooky.

Speaker 2 3:29

It is especially at night.

Speaker 3:30

Right. Yes. Right. It's spooky. It it's like it feels inherently unsafe.

Speaker 2 3:36

And yet I I go out on the balcony every time and look at the ocean going by at night. Like, this is cool, but it's kind of scary.

Speaker 3:43

I think it's a combination of this kind of you're in this uncertain environment. It has this air of spookiness and risk, and at the same time, you're on vacation. I wonder if all vacations are kind of like that anyway. Anyway, but seriously. So it's uncontrollable. So there's the the the mysteryness of the water, the the fact that we're in this like inherently unsafe environment. It's perfect for me if I'm CSK. I'm loving it.

Speaker 2 4:11

And it wouldn't stop you from going on a cruise, would it?

Speaker 4:16

No. No. And I can be CSK, I can be the laziest mastermind on the planet, because I'm letting the environment do all the work for me. Right?

Speaker 2 4:24

Yes.

Speaker 4:25

Right. So and plus I'm outsourcing to physics with gravity.

Speaker 2 4:29

And you you could just choose any victim you want, probably. A lot of victims to choose from.

Speaker 4:34

And if I've done my homework, I know that once someone goes over, thanks to my weapon of gravity, it's a mile. We've gone a mile before the ship starts turning around. That's number one. So the environment.

Getting Lost In A Floating City

Speaker 4:54

It's a floating city. It's super confusing. You cannot tell me that you've gone on a boat, walked through the ship, and not once gotten lost.

Speaker 2 5:05

Oh, I get lost every time. Like all the time. By the time you find your cabin, it's time to get off the ship.

Speaker 5:12

Yeah, it's like it's just like a mall of people, repetitive layouts. You try to detect patterns like landmarks. No. Even bars aren't landmarks. You're just like, wait, wait a minute, I passed that bar. No, it's no, it's a little different. That's got a mermaid, the other one had like this sea captain. And you're just like, oh, the carpets look the same. Wait a minute. Is it the same, or is that the swirl goes the other way this one? I don't know, different hallway? No way.

Speaker 2 5:39

And they all have shakers. Yeah, it's a perfect bars.

Speaker 5:42

So it's perfect, perfect environment. Already all my victims are they're confused. They don't know, you know, like, you know, mice in a maze. They don't know where to go. So, I mean, everybody gets lost. I would die, I'm dying to know if somebody gets on a boat and says, I know I knew I knew exactly where to go.

Speaker 2 6:04

No. My experience is even if you've been on that ship two or three times before, you still get lost every time you get on it.

Speaker 6:11

Yeah. Right. You gotta wonder if they mess around with things. They must doctor it up, right, knowing that people come back, do you think?

Speaker 2 6:19

If they want to play with us. They got that much time on their hands.

Speaker 6:23

See, and and they have at it. CSK is kind of like, yeah, go for it. Mess around with the environment again, make it more

Temporary Anonymity And Blending In

Speaker 6:30

confusing. The other thing is it it's everyone is temporarily anonymous. Like no, it's a it's a perfect short-term social environment. And it's like we all have this disagreement that um we're all gonna be, you know, um on this um LinkedIn that's gonna be disappearing socially. You know? So with people really not paying attention, it's also a perfect environment for me.

Speaker 2 7:05

Right. You're you're gonna see people all week that you don't really know and and everybody's off the right.

Speaker 7:12

And you're probably not gonna remember the same person that passed you an hour ago, because they're just a bunch of roaming strangers. However, there is one hole in that for me. There's a lot of interesting people. I'm gonna use the word interesting to be kind. Right?

Speaker 2 7:30

Please be kind, Jeff.

Speaker 7:31

No, seriously, okay, I'm not gonna be kind. There's some really weird people, right? It's kind it's kind of like Las Vegas. I was just in Las Vegas. So Las Vegas is like a land cruise ship. Just it is. It's that kind of people. Am I right? Yeah, it's the same. Oh, you know it's you know we're right because I've been with you and we've been hanging out, whether it's at a bar or it's at another bar or or another bar or food, then bar. We're hanging out and we're looking, and we're people watching. The cruise ship is a perfect environment for people watching.

Speaker 2 8:09

They are. I love people watching on the cruise.

Speaker 8:12

Exactly. So you know what I'm talking about, and you can't tell me you don't like people watching in Vegas.

Speaker 2 8:17

I do.

Speaker 8:18

See? So anyway, okay, so that but still, we're all anonymous, so it's a perfect environment for me as a CSK. And I really have the opportunity to blend in. Because if it's all anonymous, we're all anonymous, so is the crew. Right? And if I'm CSK, I probably will be a crew member. Right? Because I can travel around, I can jump from one ship to the other, I'd probably be an entertainer. Right?

unknown 8:50

Yeah.

Speaker 8:50

They'll never catch me.

Speaker 2 8:52

True.

Speaker 8:52

Because I'm off to another ship. Off to another ship, you know. I'm singing, I'm a jazz singer on one, and then I just have to be a talented CSK. That would be the don't you think? I don't I don't think you could work in the laundry room and be successful at CSK.

unknown 9:07

Probably.

Speaker 9:08

Yeah, you're just not getting out that much. You know what I mean? Particularly if there's an incident on the boat. Where they're always whether you know what I mean by incident, like the boat stops working. Right. Like that one boat.

Speaker 2 9:20

I have I've never thought of the laundry room person yet. That's the first time I've thought of a laundry room person.

Speaker 9:26

Right. The other thing that that's in my favor is time is completely meaningless.

Time Stops And Distraction Wins

Speaker 9:33

No one knows if it's day three, day six. I can't tell you how many times when we've been on a cruise. I'm like, what day is it? What day is it? I don't even know what date it is. Like date or day. Like, is it a Wednesday, a Thursday? Never mind what day on the itinerary we're on.

Speaker 2 9:48

That's why you have the little pitter patter, Jeff. Get that the night before.

Speaker 9:52

That's why you like that thing. I love that. That's why you like those morning reports.

Speaker 2 9:55

Yeah. Patter.

Speaker 9:57

But you already do that anyway.

unknown 9:59

I do.

Speaker 2 10:00

Because you've corrected the pitter pattern. I have my own itinerary.

Speaker 10:05

Exactly. So I'm saying I think you've actually gone up to the people and said, this is not accurate. It's 9.45 that we're in, not 9.35. So we everybody's abandoned calendars and time and clock, and even though you're all connected. And then the other thing is everybody is constantly distracted. To my point where watching people, people watching, right? That alone is a distraction.

unknown 10:31

Yes.

Speaker 10:31

And then you're on vacation head.

Speaker 2 10:35

Yeah.

Speaker 10:36

So this is perfect for me if I'm CSK. I got all the right ingredients for me doing mischievous things.

Speaker 2 10:43

Where do you think your most people watching is on the pool areas?

Speaker 10:50

That's a great question. I kind of like the discos when they're populated. Last time we went in, there was two people. That was not fun.

Speaker 2 10:59

We're sorry. We brought you on the old person cruise line because we're old, but it's not like that on, you know, Royal Caribbean.

Speaker 11:06

We thought we we like missed the lifeboats that left. That's that was the reaction we had at first. Like, wait a minute, did they did they sound the alarm? We're supposed to be get the life jackets on and everyone's on in the muster station and we're not there.

Speaker 2 11:21

You you are too young for princess. You should, you know, branch out. Carnival for you or Royal.

Speaker 11:30

Yeah. Well, also to that point, different ships are going to be different environments for me at CSK. Carnival, guaranteed 99% have the unlimited drink package. Perfect. Just another distraction. Right? And here's the thing. We we talk about these incidences, right? And all these like you just don't know the details. There's a lot of things that you just don't know. You gotta wonder how many events happen that don't go get reported.

Speaker 2 12:03

You mean like an overboard? Yeah. That wouldn't get reported?

Speaker 12:06

Yeah, like if you were going alone and you went over, like to your point, at the back of the ship, and they don't see that. How do they know? They know when you get to port and they notice that your suitcases are on the balcony.

Speaker 2 12:26

Well, it would have to be when you get back to get off, because if you just because you got to a new port, some people don't get off, so their their card isn't gonna show them getting off running and they're just gonna think you stayed on the ship that day.

Speaker 12:39

I I was just gonna say, so when you end the cruise, I can't remember, they scan? Yes, they scan you to make sure you're like you're off, so you're not a stowaway for the next round. Yeah, kind of wonder how many people try that. Because CSK would not try the stowaway routine, he would just say, hi, I'm the jazz singer for this this cruise.

Speaker 2 12:58

Correct.

Speaker 12:59

That wouldn't. Yeah. Alright, so now how are you gonna try to avoid me

Who CSK Might Be

Speaker 13:03

on my cruise ship?

Speaker 2 13:08

Well, first I want to talk about who I think CSK could be, which you've already touched on, touched on a couple.

Speaker 13:18

Oh, see, you're already on to me.

Speaker 2 13:20

Yeah.

Speaker 13:21

So Am I a jazz singer or rock singer? What what am I in your view?

Speaker 2 13:25

You could be an entertainer, but a long time ago when I first started reading the stories, I just thought it was, um, for all you Dexter fans out there, a dark passenger, you know, traveling several times a year on different cruise lines. That's all I thought it was, is it's a passenger. But now I think, you know, since we've been talking about this for the last few years, I think it's more, you know, out of the box like could be a comedian. You know, he's like a rabbi, an accountant, a cruise ship serial killer walk into a bar. And you you uh you have to laugh at the jokes if it is a comedian, because like a red anger is a trigger for a serial killer. So if it's a comedian, you want to laugh at all their jokes when you hear them. It could be a magician.

Speaker 14:16

Oh, just in case. So playing it safe, you're saying You gotta laugh. You gotta laugh.

Speaker 2 14:21

Gotta laugh.

Speaker 14:22

Wow. Well, you just boosted all the comedians on on these boats now.

Speaker 2 14:25

They're all gonna get great reviews.

Speaker 14:26

It's gonna be funny that they're gonna say, why am I getting a standing ovation suddenly? Yes.

Speaker 2 14:30

Yeah, well. Uh it could be a magician, because who knows better how to make someone disappear than a magician. Right.

Speaker 14:40

You gotta wonder what kind of what kind what kind of tricks he's doing.

Speaker 2 14:44

Right in front of everybody. You know, they make someone disappear and then later on he makes them disappear. Um I also think I read about the crew quarters, which I don't know if you know below the ship, they call it a ship within a ship. It goes the whole length of the ship, and they call it the I-95 corridor. And they can go through their special crew stairs or elevators to get to guest areas above, but the guest areas above, the doors are unmarked. So if you were part of the crew, you could go up these stairs or elevators, go out, and then sneak back down your special elevator stairway to the I-95 corridor, then it would make it harder.

Speaker 15:34

I hold on a minute. They call it the I-95 corridor on all the ships. All what is what what is what's why I-95?

Speaker 2 15:42

That's the main uh freeway from I think Maine down to Florida. So that's what they call it. Like when we get on the ship, that's where they're taking all the you see them putting the food pallets in, the luggage, and that's where all the crew sleep down on that, all along that corridor.

Speaker 16:01

So so this this this designation, this terminology of I-95 favors an East Coast highway as opposed to a west coast highway.

Speaker 2 16:11

Yeah.

Speaker 16:12

Oh, okay. Oh no.

Speaker 2 16:14

So you know, they have those secret little passageways up to guest areas. Um, but so I thought, okay, well, you can keep it simple. It could be your cabin attendant, he can just throw you off your own balcony when he's in the room with you, if you have a balcony room. It could be the bartender, since CSK loves intoxicated people. You add the sandia and fuego drink from good spirits, and you're probably toast after that. Um, it could be a cruise director giving the new meaning to the phrase that's entertainment. It can be even a captain of a ship who literally wants to be the last one off the ship when he retires.

Speaker 16:59

The cruise director angle is a good one. Because who would suspect that smiley, friendly face at four in the morning, and then you run into them at three in the morning the next day, and you're like, wow, you're still awake, and you gotta do this again. They're like on, they're like the Energizer Bunny. They're worse than the Energizer Bunny.

Speaker 2 17:17

They are, and your guard is down because you're like, it's the cruise director.

Speaker 17:21

Could you give me directions? Yes, right over here near the railing.

unknown 17:24

Yes.

Speaker 17:25

Right? So You better be nice to the cruise director.

Speaker 2 17:29

You should be.

Speaker 17:30

That's you said anger could trigger.

Speaker 2 17:33

It it is a trigger for a serial killer.

Speaker 17:36

Okay.

Speaker 2 17:37

So then I thought, okay, am I gonna avoid CSK?

How To Avoid Becoming A Target

Speaker 2 17:41

The first one is don't get the drink package because you know your Spidey senses are gone. Then you're really unaware of who's around, who's not around.

Speaker 17:52

Um You know no one's gonna do that. That's the first thing that I was like, no. Next? What's your next strategy?

Speaker 2 18:00

My next strategy is don't draw attention to yourself. Although, although um sometimes the ship crew does that for you. So we were on our last cruise, and every night we went to our favorite bar, and I got a hot toddy every night. And literally, after a couple of nights, the bartender um server literally every time you know we passed him in a hallway, or if he ran into us at port, he's like yelling and waving, how's it going, hot toddy? And I'm like, What? Like to me.

Speaker 18:42

To you.

Speaker 2 18:42

Yeah.

Speaker 18:43

Well, we and okay, go on. Sorry.

Speaker 2 18:46

So, you know, there now he's called attention to myself. I'm known as Hot Toddy on the ship. Um, and now everybody knows I got the drink package, and now I've been given the libation nickname by the bar crew, and then I and then I found out, I don't know if you know this, the word libation literally means ritual offering.

Speaker 19:09

Oh, that's kind of spooky.

Speaker 2 19:12

It is.

Speaker 19:12

It's got a spooky undertone to it. Interesting.

Speaker 2 19:16

Um, my other one was don't share your shipboard schedule in a crowd. And I found that there's these real activities at night, not on Princess, which is why I didn't know about them, because I'm always on Princess, and they don't have these on Princess, because again, it's an old person cruise. Wow. And we're old. You're not old, but we're old. Um, so there's a midnight pool session, 24-7 hot tubs. There's a night deck walking in your robe. There's an exploring hidden decks where you look for unmarked doors in the front of the back of the cabin hallways, which can close at night or during high winds, and they're not crowded areas, so perfect for solitude.

Speaker 20:08

You're saying to avoid all of these things.

Speaker 2 20:10

Yes. Uh oh, I think you've seen, you might have seen these on TV or sometimes on the shipping. People on their mattress, they drag their mattress out on the balcony and sleep at night on their balcony. That that's actually banned, but people people do it anyway.

Speaker 20:28

So And you're saying that's a risk.

Speaker 2 20:30

Well, if you're already out on the balcony, just if I'm like Batman CSK and I'm like swooping through the bigger, if you're a rock balcony climber and you can sleep and then you know, just over the railing here.

Speaker 20:42

I'm a jazz singer and a and a rock climber all in one. Yeah. Possible? For sure. Um then sleeping on the balcony.

Speaker 2 20:51

I don't know.

Speaker 20:53

I think I still do it.

Speaker 2 20:56

Uh don't, you know, don't accept any invites slipped under your door that are signed SKC, S C K, KCS, CKS, and C S K.

Speaker 21:09

Or pineapples.

Speaker 2 21:10

Or pineapples. It's a different show altogether, Jeff.

Speaker 21:15

You're just saying don't put signs up there. I mean, I guess any sign. But wait, I gotta, I gotta hold on, I gotta pause you for a minute. So you said you don't want to be um attracting attention to yourself.

Speaker 2 21:26

Correct.

Speaker 21:27

I I'm gonna argue the opposite. I think that's ideal for CSK. Because if what was your nickname?

Speaker 2 21:33

Hot Toddy.

Speaker 21:34

Yeah, okay. If if everybody in the room heard your nickname was Hot Toddy, now Hot Toddy, you're getting spotted. You're getting recognized. So the anonymity has suddenly gone away.

Speaker 2 21:44

Oh, I didn't think of that.

Speaker 21:45

So it's gone away. So now I'm CSK because I'm the bartender who gave you the hot toddy name. So I actually f marked you as safe because now I've removed your anonymity. It's the whole chip knows. It's the quiet ones. You know, it's the ones that you know during uh you know during the karaoke and stuff that are sitting in the corners that go unnoticed. I think that's what CSK is looking for.

Speaker 2 22:12

That's a good point. No one would even know they were missing.

Speaker 22:14

That's what I'm saying. So you actually want to be seen. So you actually want to be someone that gets spotted when everybody's doing the people watching. So you should have you should have proudly wandered about as Hottie Tati. You probably should have dressed differently. You should have turned it up a notch.

Speaker 2 22:38

It's an old person, Chris. What did you want me to wear?

Speaker 22:41

Even better. Even better. You would you they would you would be classified as an entertainer. They probably say, there was this lady called Hottie Tati, and you had just seen her. She was fantastic. You know, we don't know if she's gonna be on your ship. Good luck, people. It's true.

Speaker 2 22:57

All right.

Speaker 22:58

Do you have pink bags? Like bright pink bags? I do not. No. No. Any like feathered scarves or anything?

Speaker 2 23:04

I don't.

Speaker 23:05

Okay.

Speaker 2 23:06

Uh so there was a couple

Silent Disco And Other Weird Risks

Speaker 2 23:09

more. Uh one, this sounds kind of fun actually, but uh several of the ships, again, not Princess, uh, has something called a silent disco. So you're all in the disco and you have headphones on. What? And there's two to three different channels with different music genres. And so everybody's in there dancing, listening to music. If you're in there and you don't have the headphones on, it's completely silent. You're just watching people bobbing around. But it blocks out all the noise. So, you know, if you're dancing, you got your eyes closed, you could uh look around, depending on how many hours you've been dancing, and find that it's now just you and CSK shake, shake, shaking your booties on the dance floor. Just the two of you. Everyone else is gone, and you can't hear it.

Speaker 24:00

Okay, hold on a minute. You're saying there's a disco, you go and put your headphones on, select what music you want.

Speaker 2 24:09

Yes.

Speaker 24:10

Dance to your own dance to your own drummer, right? With other people who are dancing to their own drummers. Do you remember the Seinfeld episode when Elaine did her dance at that party?

Speaker 2 24:24

Yes.

Speaker 24:24

If you if you then walked in to this event happening, that must be what it looks like. It does. Just a bunch of awkward, funky moving people. Because no matter how cool you think you look, because you're tuned into your own music, the rest of us think you look nuts.

Speaker 2 24:42

Everyone's on a, you know, there's two to three different channels you can pick. Everybody picks their own channel. And so, yeah, everybody's doing different things because they're listening to different music.

Speaker 24:52

This is a whole show. So the the whole hold on a minute. The this is the equivalent to me of somebody talking loudly on their cell phone in a public space that annoys everybody, and we all know why it annoys everybody, is because we can't hear what the other person is saying.

Speaker 2 25:08

Right.

unknown 25:08

Right?

Speaker 25:08

We're only hearing half of a conversation, and we're seeing all this body language. And it's usually nine times out of ten, the person that's talking is like pissed off. Right? Like something has got them all in an uproar. I I ran into somebody on the trip in Vegas who was just doing that. I don't know where the heck we were, but he had to loud talk too. You know, and of course everybody's looking and looking and looking. But it's the same kind of scenario. Now you're looking at people dancing. How goofy is that? You know what? I bet you who invented this? No. Some DJ who just has like had it up to here with all the requests. You know? Like somebody's like requesting Leonard Skinner, and then someone comes home and goes, I want Taylor Swift. And he's just like, This is not working together. I'm just giving you your own headphones.

Speaker 2 25:50

Oh, I definitely would like to sit in the disco lounge during this and people watch. It would be fun.

Speaker 25:56

Okay. Well, that's a that's a curved ball at CSK, because I don't know how I would handle that one. I don't know if I if I'm looking at it going, okay, that person's really a bad dancer. That's my target.

unknown 26:08

I could be.

Speaker 2 26:10

Uh and then, so um this one's gonna, it would be hard, but try to get the middle name of people you meet. Um and if it's Wayne, you're gonna wanna jump in yourself and take your chances if you're at the railing. Because studies show the most common middle name for serial killers is Wayne.

Speaker 26:35

Ooh. You know, there should be like an alert that goes out to all parents that are in a maternity ward right now. Right? Like an alarm. Right, right, like, like yeah, right? Because everybody focuses on the first name. And even on the last name, like do we do the hyphen thing or whatever, right? No one really thinks about the middle name. Usually it's like a handoff to you know, a nod to a relative. It is, yeah, right. I think typically that's the that's a scenario. But man, if your relatives rank wane and you didn't get the memo here.

Speaker 2 27:09

And then uh don't wear a CSK t-shirt that says come and get me.

Speaker 27:17

Any any t-shirt that entices somebody approaching you. True. Come and get me. Have you seen this t-shirt on a cruise? Come and get me.

Speaker 2 27:27

I will be seeing it on a cruise.

Speaker 27:30

Because you're gonna why who's who's wearing it? Dave's wearing it? Who's wearing the come and get me? I love it. Okay, come and get me. Who would have thought? I know. So don't wear a come and get me shirt. No. Oh, damn it. Gotta unpack that one.

Speaker 2 27:45

So then the the final thoughts I have are like where not to

Where Not To Hide Onboard

Speaker 2 27:50

hide. Um, so so if you know, you feel like you're being chased by CSK, you don't want to panic like the kids in the Geico commercial, you know, let's hide behind the chainsaws. So you don't you don't want to hide in the anchor mechanism chain area or the rudder trunk or the engine room. Like every movie I've seen where there's a fight going on on a ship, it's always in the engine room. Like there's steam, there's bullets flying off the metal pipes, you know, nobody can see you. Down in the engine room, they can't hear you screaming. So stay away from those three places to hide. And I was telling Dave that given my obsession with CSK, if I meet my demise going overboard on a ship, I'm gonna pre-record a message to play at my funeral service. It says, Thank you all for coming. It was CSK.

Speaker 28:55

Oh my gosh. This is you brought us back to heaviness.

Speaker 2 28:58

Oh no. People will laugh.

Speaker 29:01

We're gonna play this at your funeral.

Speaker 2 29:02

Oh, I think we should.

Speaker 29:04

It was CSK. Well, yeah, we're you're just gonna be an episode of the show.

unknown 29:09

Yeah.

Speaker 29:09

There's gonna be some replacement. And we're gonna be like, let's talk about Kathy's story.

Speaker 2 29:13

See, now that's dark. She went overboard.

Speaker 29:16

She went overboard after I go overboard? No, no, no. It would be a temporary replacement because we we there'd be a mystery. We don't know where your body is. So we don't know officially if you're coming back. So we would be saying, we don't know if she's coming back. Hopefully. Hopefully, she took the advice from episode, what was it, two? She took die with her. And she tried to dye the ocean when she hit the water.

Speaker 2 29:37

And some green socks.

Speaker 29:38

And some green some green socks, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 2 29:41

So you can find me.

Speaker 29:44

All right, well, this has been fun to talk about this. It's kind of kind of a crazy thing. Uh you know, I I guess every time we do these these incidents, we gotta we gotta loop it back to like could this possibly be a scenario?

Speaker 2 29:56

CSK, yes.

Speaker 29:58

You know, it's not too hard to do. I mean, look at my list. The my mine is basically all on the environment. And the fact that you're everybody's in vacation head, no time, sets of

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Speaker 30:08

time.

Speaker 2 30:08

And do, you know, like if I went back, you know, to that list I had for, I don't know, 20 years of overboards. And if you look at the first, I don't know, 10 to 15 years, really all you see for the reason is overboard. You don't, you know, you don't have a lot of suicides or if they jumped or they fell or whatever. It's all just over it's a generic overboard um where you don't even know what happened to those people. Because now you know you have a lot of attention on if someone goes overboard. It's in the news all over, and it wasn't back then, so the list just says overboard. You don't even know what happened.

Speaker 30:50

Right, that's scant information. But even now, even now, when these things happen, there can be this scant information.

Speaker 2 30:58

True.

Speaker 30:59

Right? Because they have to get the authorities involved and blah blah blah blah, and then everybody goes quiet as they investigate, as we know. And of course then we all start imagining things.

Speaker 2 31:12

I do.

Speaker 31:13

Right. But I think everybody can identify with what we're talking about for sure.

Speaker 2 31:18

They will now if they hear our show.

Speaker 31:20

All right. Well, the next the next episode I'm talking about the Amy Bradley story, because there are updates that I caught in the news that I was curious about. So I wanted to talk about them. All right. That's an old story, but it kind of gets back to what was the story that that it was connected to that kind of inspired me to investigate. I can't remember which one it was. Um I'm drawing a blank. It's alright, I'll remember when we come back.

Speaker 2 31:48

Um mine is oh gosh, such a dark, dark story. So I'm glad we did a fun episode now. Just uh someone that went overboard that was a very unavoidable situation that ended up causing additional tragedy for the whole family after that.

Speaker 32:08

Oh my gosh. Well, first off, the word unavoidable. Yeah. That sounds bad. Great. We look ex- I'm so excited for your unavoidable thing. So what the heck? I'm just curious, like, what in the heck happened? All right. Well, that should be an interesting one. All right.

Speaker 2 32:24

So um Oh, and do we want to say we will be doing our next podcast from out of yeah, remotely.

Speaker 32:33

Yeah, we can do that. I don't do you know where what this location is? What it's called? I don't know the name.

Speaker 2 32:39

It's in Wilcox.

Speaker 32:41

Arizona.

Speaker 2 32:42

For those of you that don't know where we are, during a wine festival.

Speaker 32:46

Oh.

Speaker 2 32:47

Yeah.

Speaker 32:47

Oh yeah, that's right. We're we're gonna do it from a dome. Right. The beer dome, right? The beer dome. Yeah, we'll do it from the beer dome. Interesting.

Speaker 2 32:54

It's fitting.

Speaker 32:55

Uh unlimited drink package there. Yes. Yes, there is. Oh my gosh. Yeah, the producers are like, oh, they're all shaking their heads wildly. Okay.

Speaker 2 33:03

Why are they laughing at these dark dark stories?

Speaker 33:06

Like, oh my gosh. Okay. Um, so for those of you listening, if you enjoyed this episode, let us know. You know, we're kind of pivoting here, trying to figure out just exactly what is working right and what's not working. Um, we still think the incident idea is still legit, right? Yes. But we also like keeping things light. So, and if you want to hear something or perspective on something that we're just having hit on, let us know. Love love the feedback, right? Yes. You're nodding your head, but no one can see you.

Speaker 2 33:43

I know. I'm nodding my head. She nods. Trust me, everyone.

Speaker 33:47

She's nodding her head. Yes. She's a guest, yes. All right, thanks everybody. Till next time.

Speaker 2 33:53

Anchors away.

Speaker 33:54

Anchors away. That's it for this episode of Cruise Chip Killer. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, rate, and review, or don't. But statistically, the people who disappear never do either. CSK is hosted by Kathy Pierce and Jeff Smith, produced by Kristen Smith and David Pierce. Research by our Cruise Line Incident Researcher page log line. Additional editing and sound design by Cal Deckhand. Sources for today's episode are linked in the show notes because shockingly, we did not make all of this up.

Speaker 1 34:27

Today's show is sponsored by Beacon of Light luggage tags, a blinding pulsating light in a dark world to help you quickly find your luggage in the debarcation terminal. This is a Katie's Pub production.