Intro

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Cruise chips promise relaxation, luxury, and absolutely nothing going wrong. But every year people disappear, accidents happen, and the official explanation somehow never gets simpler. This is Cruise Chip Killer, a podcast where we examine real cruise chip deaths, disappearances, and the past. With skepticism, dark humor, and zero interest in becoming maritime detective. We're not here to accuse, we're here to ask, does any of this actually make sense? Welcome aboard. Welcome to episode two of Cruise Ship Killer, a not-so new year.

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And a Thanksgiving to remember.

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I'm Kathy. Yes, you are. Jeff. Hey, it's the start of the new year. And the incidents are already piling up. You've been keeping up?

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I have.

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Yeah, it's pretty amazing, right? So just to cover some housekeeping, right? You all know that we'll cover the bizarre and the tragic and the sad stories of the sea of luxury cruise liners who bring joy to millions, right, across the globe every year. And even some get stuck in Arctic ice.

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I saw that this week.

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Pretty interesting. Yeah, that one we gotta talk about. I think that would be fun. There's got to be quotes all over the place for that one. A reminder: we are not investigators. So don't even think, don't even take this seriously, right? We're not even close to real journalists, but we're cruisers, we're consumers of what men in black call the hot sheets. Do you guys know what the hot sheets are? No, no. Okay. I know people out there know what the hot sheets are from Men in Black because they're the tabloids. Yeah, not the New York Times, the tabloids, right? And fans of Clickbait News of the Sea will always share what we know, what we don't know, and always have an eye out for the possible cruise ship killer involvement. So for those of you that are new, we we have this conspiracy theory that some of what happens at sea could be the work of a serial killer or killers slash troublemakers. We don't know, but this certainly is an opening. So, all right, so what do you got for

A Thanksgiving to remember.

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your first story?

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Well, this week I thought I'd give Royal Caribbean a break and uh move over to Carnival. So uh in 2022 on the Carnival Valor, it was a Thanksgiving uh cruise from New Orleans to Cozumel, Mexico. We talked about, you know, the party people on Cozumel, Mexico cruises. Uh 28-year-old James Grime was on this cruise with 18 family members, very excited, had cousins, family members. Um says he had a couple of drinks, not a lot. Um, and then around 11 p.m., he tells his sister he's going to the bathroom, but he never returns from the bathroom. He wakes up and he's in the ocean with no ship in sight, no lights, no ships, nothing. He was says he was um knocked out cold and just woke up and he was floating in the ocean. So I'm gonna take a small break here to say my ocean fears. I'm very afraid of drowning in the ocean. I would freak out if I was in the ocean at night with things touching my feet. Um, and you're gonna find, you know, this funny, but my other fear is getting taken out by a ghost ship. I'm very creeped out by all the ghost ships that are out in the middle of the ocean. Just did you say ghost ships? A ghost ship. Yeah, there's a lot of ghost ships, Jeff. Like it's a fear of mine seeing a ghost ship.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

Pirate galleon ghost ships or just any ship.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

They're empty, they're just out there, you know.

SPEAKER_04 3:48

Oh, oh, just out there for the ship. They're like legit ships.

SPEAKER_01 3:52

Yeah. Just with no one's on there. They can't see me, they can't turn, you know. I'm I I'm fear of getting hit with a ghost ship, also. Um so I would be pan panicking the minute I hit the water, and you know the lady in um Casino Royale, she's in the elevator, she starts gulping water to end it quickly. Oh that's that's exactly if I'm ever in the water, that's exactly what I'm doing.

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So I don't think I could do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Yeah. So the good part of this story that I really like is the guy survived, which is rare. They say 25% of people who go overboard um survive. He survived, and he is just such a funny character. Um, I watched some interviews uh with him, and the interview lady is just, you know, trying to get his story and saying, Well, do you think you were drunk? And he's totally downplaying, you know, I hardly drank anything. And then he cuts to, you know, hey, and I I won an air guitar contest, and then I got a free beer, so you know, I drank that, and she goes, Well, do you think you were drunk? And he goes, No. And she goes, Well, do you remember going to the bathroom? And he's like, No. And she goes, Do you remember falling overboard? And he goes, No. And she goes, Are you sure you weren't intoxicated? And he's like, No. So this could be CSK. He doesn't remember going overboard. Who knows where? He could have been standing out.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

He got he could have been roofied.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:26

His free beer at a Yes. Right?

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 5:29

I mean, if you're CSK, you're just like, oh, this guy is clearly not drinking.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Right. He could be out on deck, no one out there, and poof, right? So, um, he's he's in the water floating. He tells her he can't float on his own. So he's very religious, and he credits God with helping him float. And when he wakes up, he's like, I'm not gonna panic, I'm gonna stay calm, I'm gonna stay positive, I am not dying today. Um, and he has a daughter, so his will to live is is uh pretty strong. Um, now here's the part that is very strange to me. He doesn't return from the bathroom. His family doesn't report him missing until 12 hours later at 2 30 p.m. in the afternoon. I am like WTF people. I swear to God, if I'm ever on a cruise and I do not come back from the bathroom, you better alert them within 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Okay, hold on. Pause for a minute. Pause for a minute. Let's recap here. So wait a minute. I just want to understand the timeline. So what time did he fall in the water?

SPEAKER_01 6:39

11 p.m.

SPEAKER_04 6:41

Did they have like surveillance that's caught him falling in the water?

SPEAKER_01 6:44

I don't think so. I don't think they knew.

SPEAKER_04 6:46

So no one even knew.

SPEAKER_01 6:47

No.

SPEAKER_04 6:48

Do we know what part of the ship he fell from?

SPEAKER_01 6:50

No, because he doesn't remember.

SPEAKER_04 6:52

Oh my god. So I would guess it's probably well, I don't know. I've never fallen off a ship, so how would I know if falling off the back is better than falling off the front?

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

I would assume the maybe not the back.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

No, you don't want to get sucked into the mud. I just saw Titanic. That was horrible. You want to go off the front, I think.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

Do you want to go off the front?

SPEAKER_01 7:14

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

I guess it's depending on, yeah. If it turns sharp while you're there, that's not what would happen. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so we don't know where he where we but he fell off at a certain time, and it was much later that the family actually reported him missing.

SPEAKER_01 7:28

The next day at 2 30.

SPEAKER_04 7:31

So the crew was like, oh, yeah. So there's a man overboard.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yes.

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And then they go into the the alert mode.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Yeah. Right? So he's floating in the Gulf of Mexico for 20 hours in an area known for shark feeding. And he said he's, you know, taking turns floating, swimming, you know, things are touching him. He thought a shark was coming after him. It hit his leg. He kicked it and he said it wasn't a shark. He's got jelly fish stings all over his body. Um he sees another cruise ship pass him and he's trying to swim toward it, but they don't see him, and then it just goes off into the distance. Uh he sees some platforms and he's always trying to swim to get on them, but then the waves are, you know, pushing him back constantly, and then the lights are getting further away, and he's, you know, back to floating. Um so then he sees uh a tanker ship, and it's it's uh almost sundown again the next day, and he starts swimming toward it, and he's yelling, and he's waving his socks in the air, you know, and they see him, and they're like, hey, they're looking for you. And he's like, Hold on, you know, they're gonna call the Coast Guard. So the Coast Guard comes, flies around, you know, four times in a circle, and they finally spot him. Um, and he's like, the first thing I say to the guy when he comes down with the basket is, I don't have any clothes on. And the guy's like, Don't worry, right? And the Coast Guard is like telling him, he probably only had less than five minutes left before he's he said he was so out of energy the minute he put the harness on him, he just kind of collapsed because he's been swimming for 20 hours in the ocean. Um, so he was in ICU for four days and treated for hypothermia, shock, dehydration.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

And again, he's like, you know, I think God saved me. I'm gonna call it my 20-hour baptism. So at the end of the interview, he's wearing some khaki pants and he tells the lady, um, these are the pants I brought on the cruise. I never got to wear them. So I have them on for this interview, and he goes, I put my hand in my pocket and there's a paper in there, and I pull out the paper, and it's a fortune cookie paper. And the fortune cookie says, Life's a beach, enjoy the waves.

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Nuh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

I think this is like another an alternate plot line for um what's that castaway? Oh. It sounds like the castaway movie. He's just missing Wilson.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Well, God has a sense of humor. If you find that in your pocket.

SPEAKER_04 10:16

Do we know what color socks he was using? Because how did those tanker guys see?

SPEAKER_01 10:20

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 10:20

Couldn't have been white.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 10:25

Like orange socks. He just got lucky with orange socks, right? That could be that the extra rated sea.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Well, you know, I think the socks are all he had left at the end, right? He said he didn't have any clothes, so the other clothes must have came off prior to the and then he just had socks. The socks kind of saved him there.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

That's a good question. If you had to if you fall in with all your clothes on, yeah, and now you're treading water, yeah, you know you gotta lighten the load.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:49

I guess the socks would be the last thing you'd leave on. I think you'd leave those on. You're like, I gotta keep my feet warm.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:53

Right? It kind of makes sense. I don't know. You would have that conversation with yourself as as you float and panic.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

And start taking clothes off, yeah. Especially if you have jeans or something on the code. Because you'd blame them now.

SPEAKER_04 11:02

You'd be like, should I really take the clothes off?

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Yeah. So she says to him, Will you ever go on another cruise? And he's like, I definitely would go on another cruise because I didn't get to go on this one. Uh so interesting fact about I learned about the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard was only six minutes away from where they found him when they got the call. And apparently the Coast Guard has a rescue optimal planning system. And it allows them to estimate where a floating object is. So they take 5,000 virtual rubber ducks and drop them at a specific location, and they factor in someone's weight and their body fat and the clothes they were wearing, and then wherever the highest concentration of the ducks are, that's where they start searching first. So I thought that was cool.

SPEAKER_04 11:58

That's really cool.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

Yeah, it allows them to reach somebody quicker.

SPEAKER_04 12:05

Wow. I have some facts that's kind of related to that.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:08

But I don't have the I don't yeah, when we get to my story, but I I that's that's crazy. I wonder if all Coast Guards employ that.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

I'm not sure. They were the the search area when the family finally reported him missing, you know, was at 7,000 uh square miles for them to search because they you know, I but yeah, please, if I do not return from the bathroom, can you just call that in for me?

SPEAKER_04 12:35

You know, does anybody sell like um you know how you can buy glow sticks? Yeah, you know, and you can use it for all sorts of purposes, right? Not just Halloween, yeah. And um it's one of those things where you'd want to have a glow stick kind of object that if you you know, maybe this guy wants to bring on his next trip. But it's a dye, so you break it open and it's just gross orange dye, you know, pollutes the water around you.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yes, that would be helpful. Don't they have such a thing? It should, or you know, no one would.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

I mean, who would really be carrying it around, right? Or maybe you know You get the drink package and it comes standard. You get a die capsule. That's what you get is a die capsule. You go, hey, congratulations, $69.99, and it's $250 for the die capsule.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Or you know I take the die capsule. The princess medallions, you know, put the tracking device in there because people always have it around their neck, around the bracelet, and they just track you.

SPEAKER_04 13:36

You can just see you getting pulled out of the water with the Damon Dollar. It gets scanned. You're Jeff, right? Right? They won't ask your name. Let's do this.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Your hair looks different. I don't know if this is really you.

SPEAKER_04 13:51

You weren't drunk. Oh no, we see that you were. You know, we have it right here on our little little iPad.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:57

Yeah. My gosh, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

It is.

SPEAKER_04 14:01

So this was in 2022. Did he end up um taking a cruise? Do you know?

SPEAKER_01 14:06

I don't know if he's taken one since then. He said he would go on one.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

He'd be a good follow-up, right? Yeah. What was that next cruise like? Do you think you at the next cruise? If you survive something like that, at the next cruise, you're at the muster station, you know, the drill, the very first thing, right? You're probably bragging.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

Right? You're like, I could teach this idea. I didn't, I didn't need that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good idea to have though, because it's cold. Golly, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

Thank he fell in warm water too. I would think that would be warmer water, but with the currents around, it'd be a mess, probably.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:41

Wow, it's crazy. Wow. So the thing that's really that sticks out to me is that he wasn't detected. And this is 2022. What was the cruise line again?

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Carnival Valor.

SPEAKER_04 14:56

Seven day? Do you know the?

SPEAKER_01 14:58

I don't know. But I I believe that they are um the Carnival Valor is the or not the Carnival Valor, but the Carnival cruise line is um the one that has the most overboards out of all the uh uh cruise lines right now. The carnival chips.

SPEAKER_02 15:20

Really?

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Highest overboard rate, which you know, I can understand.

SPEAKER_04 15:24

I wow, okay. So my story,

A not so New Year

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you ready to hear my story? Yes. It's uh it's the and here's the I asked myself, what's the first incident of the new year? Right? And I was surprised to learn that it really happened on New Year's. You know, so it's it's horrible. It's horrible because essentially there's a 77-year-old woman on Holland American line. She was on the New Stat Stantum. Stan Statendum. It's a Stantendum. New Stanton. It's another land's name. Yeah, it's Dutch or something like that. But but they were sailing near Cuba. They're about like I think 49 miles northeast on uh seven-day Eastern Caribbean uh cruise. It departed out of Fort Lauderdale. And um on January 1st, I they don't know, I they haven't reported a time, but the crews left port at on the 27th, and she fell overboard on the first. Sometime on the first, I don't know the time. Um, and this so this particular cruise line and this ship that she was on is like part of their pinnacle class. This typically caters to older folks, so this is kind of a high-end cruise. This isn't a party ship, right? So um uh she goes overboard, they go into man overboard mode, and uh the Coast Guard gets called out, probably did exactly what you're talking about, you know, dropping the doing the virtual rubber ducky scenario. And they ended up searching 690 square miles, and um, and and just never found her. And so most of the reports didn't say, you know, uh whether they captured her jumping off intentionally or it was an accident or anything like that. They didn't they didn't really report that. But um what was it that one of the um cruise hive, I don't know if you're familiar with cruise hive, but they report they they pretty much scoop up a lot of good information, but they reported that um she had fallen from uh the third deck and the surveillance cameras they actually caught her going over. So, and here's what's interesting. So, since it's not really a crime, they don't think it's a crime, right? The local authorities of the now in this case they didn't reveal what nationality this person was, so we still don't know, but the authorities in I don't know what it was, Broward County. You know, they investigate, and then um uh who else? Um well the Coast Guards involved, so you've got those two entities that are kind of you know taking the lead on investigating. But they basically saw enough evidence to say, yeah, it was shoot, she meant to jump.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Is that um well it's interesting you say the third deck because I know the higher up you are, you know, the fall will just kind of kill you.

SPEAKER_04 18:42

Right. I was surprised to hear third deck. I I was surprised that I I was able to dig up the third deck, so it's only one source reporting third deck, but but yeah, third deck.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

And also, was that toward the end of the cruise? Because it when people commit suicide, all right, they just stay on all week, enjoy it, and then they plan on, you know, I you know I was wondering I was wondering that.

SPEAKER_04 19:03

I was wondering that because yeah, I had the same curiosity. Like it's seven-day cruise. At what point, because our first episode, right? We had the guy that got drunk and picked a fight like within an hour leaving. Right. So he had no intention of committing suicide. He was just he was ready to party. Right clearly. But this lady, yeah, no, she picked towards the end. As a matter of fact, so they so the ship did a zigzag pattern to help search. So they went, they went into search mode. Then they were then the Coast Guard came out and brought a ton of assets, including the William Trump cutter. I've never heard of that ship, but nonetheless, the William Trump, and then a bunch of helicopter assets. So they they really looked over the whole. I can't I don't know. Let me look, see if I can figure out how how long. Um search for eight hours. So the ship basically kind of participated and then then the ship was let go. And so they started heading back home. They had a stop at Key West. That was their last port. They had to skip it and just head back in. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

I did read when I was reading the stats of how many people are actually found alive, being the 25%, that that is the number one reason the ocean is so big and it's just too hard to see somebody.

SPEAKER_04 20:24

Yeah, it's super hard. But so so here's here's some of the facts I got. So this is kind of this is kind of crazy. So in 2025, we had 10 to 12 overboard incidents reported worldwide. I actually thought that was low.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

It sounds low.

SPEAKER_04 20:42

It does. But when you break it down, you think that that's one a month.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Oh, true.

SPEAKER_04 20:47

Right? So one a month, four to six of them were considered possible suicides or confirmed. So something doesn't mix of the two there, right? So some of them are confirmed, but some are possible, some they don't really know. So I'm going on my CSK theory here. It says, see, that's the door that they leave open with the possibility, right? You just don't know, and then several were described as likely or suspected suicide. That even further muddies it.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

So if you think 10 to 12, half are in there, the other half are like the guy that you just talked about.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:32

Right? Like I fell, I mean, got too drunk, and whoops.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Although, yeah, he's or not. Yeah, I mean, he's so adamant that you know, uh, no, I I wasn't intoxicated. And then she'd say, Well, how many drinks do you think you had? And he goes, I really don't know. So, so yeah, I'm gonna go with yes, you were intoxicated, but that's what I'm going with.

SPEAKER_04 21:58

Yeah, if you can't even volley it. Guess.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:01

Like, I don't know, three or four, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:02

If you can't, then you clearly had to be unless you your theory is right about being roofied, right? I mean, does he have some family member that's a practical joke or something like, hey, let's roofie Jim and see what happens, you know? I don't know. Could be.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

It yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:20

So the annual average for going overboard is more along the lines of what I assumed: 15 to 25. Lots of them are crew. Oh, we said CSK could be a crew member.

SPEAKER_01 22:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Right? Jump from ship to ship to ship to ship.

SPEAKER_01 22:36

Or an entertainer.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

And all the above, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:38

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

So I don't know. That gave me the E BGBs. But here's here's the other thing. So in order for them, you know, they have to determine like, is it a possible suicide? Is it not, right? So you're going to use surveillance and you're going to see, no, no one pushed her. Doesn't look like it'll fall. So they kind of make those assumptions, right? And then they talk to the family. And obviously get other pieces of information that makes them come to some kind of endpoint. Right. But possible, likely suicides are when there's no witnesses, surveillance has been reviewed, authorities decline the criminal investigation. The you usually see the media using appears intentional under investigation, no foul play expected, that kind of thing. Usually the that's where a small number of cases land. The undetermined, the accidental, that kind of thing. Toxication, falls, uncle, unclear circumstances. That one always gets me. Unclear circumstances. Um and and certainly involving crew members. So it's wide open.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

It's wide open. But she was the first. It's kind of depressing, you know? Yeah. Condolences go out to her family for all that kind of stuff. I think it's it's not. But it's too bad I don't know the time.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

Like she saw the fireworks. She must have enjoyed herself. Oh. But they they they looked everywhere. And here's the other thing. I and I had it on my sheet of paper, but this is really interesting. So the ship is a pretty big ship. It's kind of mid-size, that boat. I think it's like 99,000 tonnage or something like that. But a boat like that, that big, when you go overboard, so this lady went overboard, or even your guy there was quote, not drunk.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Right.

SPEAKER_04 24:27

He was totally sober when he jumped, right? He fell.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

He doesn't know.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

Yeah, he has no idea. But they hit the water.

SPEAKER_01 24:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:33

And this kind of gets to your facts about the rubber ducky thing. So you hit the water. Those boats are so big that they the alarm bells go off. Now they go to look for you. They they probably have already gone a mile or two past you.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:48

Right? So already you're kind of in no yeah. Deep water, right?

SPEAKER_03 24:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:54

And now they gotta turn around and try to find you. By the time they do that, the currents probably have shifted you in a whole different spot, right? Right. So those rubber duckies would come in handy.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:07

That current stuff.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

You know, I just thought about- They usually don't find people. Right. But I just thought about, you know, all those people we talked about that are hiding ducks on the ships. It's a game. They're hiding rubber duckies everywhere, and people are finding them, and then some of the cruise lines are like banning it. Like, no, you're not hiding rubber ducks all over the ship, you know, so you're distracting. But hey, now, yes, go ahead and everybody throw those overboard because those will go with you in the ocean. And now you're looking for a person and a bunch of real rubber ducks in the water. That could be helpful.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

So you're saying the alarm bells go off and everybody just whips their rubber ducky out and throws it out in it.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yes. It's not a bad idea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:50

It's really not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:52

Yeah. That's really not a bad idea. I still like the die idea. Yeah. I think that actually might work. Gotta wonder if they've already thought about these things.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:02

You know?

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Or we all need a tracking device bracelet from the minute we get on until we get off and it tracks us.

SPEAKER_04 26:09

So I have an update from or something I picked up based on our last show. We were talking about the package, the unlimited drink package. Oh, yeah. Now there's they've got a zero-proof drink package.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Oh, a non-alcoholic?

SPEAKER_04 26:23

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

How much is that? That should be free for goodness sakes. There's no alcohol.

SPEAKER_04 26:28

I'm glad you asked. I checked. So 30 bucks. Now this is Carnival. Carnival's the one that's kind of kicked us off.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

A day?

SPEAKER_04 26:34

I get I don't know if the other clues lines have it. I'm sure they probably do, but but it's 30 bucks. And apparently in Australia, they weren't getting the same kind of deal. So a lot of people have pressured Carnival from Australia saying, what the heck? Right? We like fancy coffees. I don't know how it's going to work out. I guess I think I think they're going to make everybody get the same kind of package. But yeah, 30 bucks, you get this. And did you know on Cruise Hive there's a calculator? So to determine whether or not the drink package is worth it for you, you plug in your clues line or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 27:06

And you can basically check box how much you drank. So it's funny, I went through it, right? And I'm like, yeah, okay, three beers, maybe a couple cocktails, coffee, right? Kristen's like, no. My wife. Kristen's like, no, five beers. We probably do two coffees.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

You think you're in the doctor's office?

SPEAKER_04 27:27

Don't forget all the waters you're gonna drink.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

How much you drink, Jeff?

SPEAKER_04 27:30

Yeah, so when I so I said this like you're saving $12. So yeah, so apparently the drink package is probably a good idea for me.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Well and Princess Drink Package, I get it mostly because it covers the crew tips and the Wi-Fi, not just drinks. I think some of the other cruise lines is just drinks, and so that's why I like it because I get a better deal covering the crew tips and wi-fi along with the drinks. There you go. Which is why I don't try to maximize my drink package, also.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Well, all right, so what do you got for the next show? We gotta tie this one up.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Alright. Uh, next time you can join me for my story where we celebrate the 80s. Oh. And this actually could be a case for Crockett and Tubbs. Miami Vice. No kidding. Did you watch them?

SPEAKER_04 28:20

Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

Loved it. Some people are out there like, who's Crockett and Tubbs? Yeah, loved it. It's a butter, it's a new margarine something out.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

I got a crazy story. So this one, this one actually hot off the press, but we'll cover it next next show. Um, so this is a cruise line that's marketing itself as autistic friendly and uh apparently show that they're not so friendly.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:40

So we'll cover that. There's a lot to unpack on that one. And it's one of those stories that everybody's gonna say, God, what would I do in that situation? Particularly if I'm a parent. It's one of those situations. Alright, so thanks for listening, folks. This has been another episode of Cruise Ship Killer. Until next time, please don't forget to attend the mustard drill because skipping out only further delays my beer.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Thanks for listening. See you at the Crow's Nest.

SPEAKER_04 29:16

That's it for this episode of Cruise Ship Killer. If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, rate, and review, or don't. But statistically, the people who disappear never do either. CSK is hosted by Kathy Pierce and Jeff Smith, produced by Kristen Smith and David Pierce. Research by our Cruise Line Incident Researcher page logline. Additional editing and sound design by Cal Deckhand. Sources for today's episode are linked in the show notes because shockingly, we did not make all of this up.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Today's show was sponsored by a Beacon of Light luggage tag, a blinding, pulsating light in the dark world to help you quickly find your luggage in the debarcation terminal. This is a Katie's Pub production.